Chris Weinke (IMG Academy) Talks with Danny Parkins about upcoming QB class.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

he has plenty of arm strength for the NFL and he's plenty accurate to. Hell he's got a stronger arm that half the NFL at this point. Accuracy he's had and he can even learn more and go farther. Especially with a system and coach like reid. Hell peyton has a ****ing NOODLE arm but he does what he does cause he's smart and he has the system perfectly fit to him.

I'm a firm believer that accuracy is a product of the system that you put around your QB.

Accuracy is wha????


Barkley struggled with accuracy this year throwing a career high in INTs.


Barkley has the ceiling of a high end game manager. You can win with that, even win a playoff game or two. But without an elite group around him, I tend to think thats about it.

[fairladyZ]

Originally Posted by O.city

Accuracy is wha????


Barkley struggled with accuracy this year throwing a career high in INTs.


Barkley has the ceiling of a high end game manager. You can win with that, even win a playoff game or two. But without an elite group around him, I tend to think thats about it.

It's like tom brady, he was a pretty accurate passer coming out of college and he was great at coming back cause he had that fierceness about him. You put hi with NE and they started to MOLD their team to his strengths and now he's talked about being GOAT. They have gone thru players left and right and he still does what he does. They've been doing it for years cause they implemented the system and made it work, they've made tweaks here and there but it's the same system he's always been successful at. Same with manning. If you took either QB and thru them into a completely new system they would go from GOAT to above average game managers.

Phillip RIvers is another example. He did great under Norv cause norv tailored to him. You take norv away and i think phillip rivers is a HORRIBLE QB. Bad footwork, horrible mechanics, and weak arm. Unless their new OC is a genius i forsee rivers failing this year just like he has been the last couple.

Barkley can be deadly accurate, he threw so many INT's and his completion % was down a little from having a subpar line, a bad defense, and mediocre running game. Barkley had to force alot of things and put the team on his back quite abit. Like i said he single handled kept them into the oregon and ucla game. His defense was just complete shit

[O.city]

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

It's like tom brady, he was a pretty accurate passer coming out of college and he was great at coming back cause he had that fierceness about him. You put hi with NE and they started to MOLD their team to his strengths and now he's talked about being GOAT. They have gone thru players left and right and he still does what he does. They've been doing it for years cause they implemented the system and made it work, they've made tweaks here and there but it's the same system he's always been successful at. Same with manning. If you took either QB and thru them into a completely new system they would go from GOAT to above average game managers.

Phillip RIvers is another example. He did great under Norv cause norv tailored to him. You take norv away and i think phillip rivers is a HORRIBLE QB. Bad footwork, horrible mechanics, and weak arm. Unless their new OC is a genius i forsee rivers failing this year just like he has been the last couple.

Barkley can be deadly accurate, he threw so many INT's and his completion % was down a little from having a subpar line, a bad defense, and mediocre running game. Barkley had to force alot of things and put the team on his back quite abit. Like i said he single handled kept them into the oregon and ucla game. His defense was just complete shit

Not to call you out here totally, but lets stop comparing these guys to the best QB's in the game.

Manning and Brady are likely 2 of the best 5 QB's to EVER play. EVER. Lets not start with that.


Barkley isn't deadly accurate. He is accurate, but he doesn't have elite accuracy. He could develop it, sure. But like it has been discussed, Barkley is pretty much topped out mechanically. Changing a little here or there isn't going to make much difference.

He just lacks the arm strength to drive the ball down the field.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

Not to call you out here totally, but lets stop comparing these guys to the best QB's in the game.

Manning and Brady are likely 2 of the best 5 QB's to EVER play. EVER. Lets not start with that.


Barkley isn't deadly accurate. He is accurate, but he doesn't have elite accuracy. He could develop it, sure. But like it has been discussed, Barkley is pretty much topped out mechanically. Changing a little here or there isn't going to make much difference.

He just lacks the arm strength to drive the ball down the field.

THIS.

[fairladyZ]

Originally Posted by O.city

Not to call you out here totally, but lets stop comparing these guys to the best QB's in the game.

Manning and Brady are likely 2 of the best 5 QB's to EVER play. EVER. Lets not start with that.


Barkley isn't deadly accurate. He is accurate, but he doesn't have elite accuracy. He could develop it, sure. But like it has been discussed, Barkley is pretty much topped out mechanically. Changing a little here or there isn't going to make much difference.

He just lacks the arm strength to drive the ball down the field.

I'm not comparing anyone to either, i'm just using them as the accuracy is a product of the system discussion. IMO barkley's ceiling could be that of peyton mannings, at his lowest ceiling he could be a schaub. Who will win you some games but all around is a HORRIBLE QB. But i think the others are right with a matt ryan type QB comparison. Which i would be GREAT with matt ryan

[O.city]

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

I'm not comparing anyone to either, i'm just using them as the accuracy is a product of the system discussion. IMO barkley's ceiling could be that of peyton mannings, at his lowest ceiling he could be a schaub. Who will win you some games but all around is a HORRIBLE QB. But i think the others are right with a matt ryan type QB comparison. Which i would be GREAT with matt ryan

Those teams were able to tailor their systems around those guys BECAUSE they had elite accuracy. It didn't cause them to be accurate.


Sorry, but a system doesn't create accuracy.

[fairladyZ]

Originally Posted by O.city

Those teams were able to tailor their systems around those guys BECAUSE they had elite accuracy. It didn't cause them to be accurate.


Sorry, but a system doesn't create accuracy.

2007 New England Patriots 16 16 398 578 68.9 4,806 8.3

2008 New England Patriots 16 15 327 516 63.4 3,693 7.2

2009 New England Patriots 16 16 371 565 65.7 4,398 7.8

the year before cassel and the year after cassel in NE's system.

I'm sure anyone on here would have taken that system here in KC with those kind of numbers from cassel.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Those teams were able to tailor their systems around those guys BECAUSE they had elite accuracy. It didn't cause them to be accurate.


Sorry, but a system doesn't create accuracy.

A system can create completion percentage.

Ball placement is a product of biomechanics - either you can repeat your delivery or you can't.

You can improve in the margins, but that's about it. Think of it as moving within letter grades. If you're a B- level passer, you can become a B and maybe a B+, but a guy with B- accuracy is never going to be an A rated trhower and a person with C level accuracy as a rookie is almost certainly doomed to a career of mediocrity.

That said, the right system can mask it and I think it's the exact opposite of the system most would advocate. If only half of your balls are going to be accurate, might as well launch it downfield and make them count.

The short passing game should be utilized by truly pinpoint passers. I honestly think that your more scattershot arms should become downfield bombers. That's what finally made Eli effective and that's when Stafford was at his best.

Geno's accuracy is such that a smart coach will make him a guy that thrives by absolutely picking teams apart in the 10 yard range.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

A system can create completion percentage.

Ball placement is a product of biomechanics - either you can repeat your delivery or you can't.

You can improve in the margins, but that's about it. Think of it as moving within letter grades. If you're a B- level passer, you can become a B and maybe a B+, but a guy with B- accuracy is never going to be an A rated trhower and a person with C level accuracy as a rookie is almost certainly doomed to a career of mediocrity.

That said, the right system can mask it and I think it's the exact opposite of the system most would advocate. If only half of your balls are going to be accurate, might as well launch it downfield and make them count.

The short passing game should be utilized by truly pinpoint passers. I honestly think that your more scattershot arms should become downfield bombers. That's what finally made Eli effective and that's when Stafford was at his best.

Geno's accuracy is such that a smart coach will make him a guy that thrives by absolutely picking teams apart in the 10 yard range.

Well, thats pretty much what they've done with Flacco.

I'm not totally sure if he's arguing that a system can physically make a guy more accurate, or like you have said, mask it if he's not.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

A system can create completion percentage.

Ball placement is a product of biomechanics - either you can repeat your delivery or you can't.

You can improve in the margins, but that's about it. Think of it as moving within letter grades. If you're a B- level passer, you can become a B and maybe a B+, but a guy with B- accuracy is never going to be an A rated trhower and a person with C level accuracy as a rookie is almost certainly doomed to a career of mediocrity.

That said, the right system can mask it and I think it's the exact opposite of the system most would advocate. If only half of your balls are going to be accurate, might as well launch it downfield and make them count.

The short passing game should be utilized by truly pinpoint passers. I honestly think that your more scattershot arms should become downfield bombers. That's what finally made Eli effective and that's when Stafford was at his best.

Geno's accuracy is such that a smart coach will make him a guy that thrives by absolutely picking teams apart in the 10 yard range.

I disagree with the part in bold because, as you said, accuracy is all about bio-mechanics and repetitious motion. If you lack the ability to throw 10-15 yards accurately, you'll really notice when you stretch that pass out from 10 yards to 20+.

I guess what you are getting at is if it's going to be a crap shoot of a pass at 10 yards why not go for broke and gain chunks at a time, but we all saw what happened when Cassel tried to bomb it away. He either threw incomplete by over-throwing, got it picked or damn near killed his WR by under-throwing it.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

I'm not comparing anyone to either, i'm just using them as the accuracy is a product of the system discussion. IMO barkley's ceiling could be that of peyton mannings, at his lowest ceiling he could be a schaub. Who will win you some games but all around is a HORRIBLE QB. But i think the others are right with a matt ryan type QB comparison. Which i would be GREAT with matt ryan

Barkley's ceiling isn't anywhere close to "Peyton Manning".

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Barkley's ceiling isn't anywhere close to "Peyton Manning".

This.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

Not to call you out here totally, but lets stop comparing these guys to the best QB's in the game.

Manning and Brady are likely 2 of the best 5 QB's to EVER play. EVER. Lets not start with that.


Barkley isn't deadly accurate. He is accurate, but he doesn't have elite accuracy. He could develop it, sure. But like it has been discussed, Barkley is pretty much topped out mechanically. Changing a little here or there isn't going to make much difference.

He just lacks the arm strength to drive the ball down the field.

I don't think one "develops accuracy" I think that is a trait you are either born with, or not. Similar to an elite arm.

You can improve here and there, but there aren't many guys that went from completing 55% of their throws to completing over 65% ...

I bet Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers could knock a soda can off a guys head from 15 years out when they were 15 years old and there are guys in the NFLhat still can't.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I don't think one "develops accuracy" I think that is a trait you are either born with, or not. Similar to an elite arm.

You can improve here and there, but there aren't many guys that went from completing 55% of their throws to completing over 65% ...

I bet Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers could knock a soda can off a guys head from 15 years out when they were 15 years old and there are guys in the NFLhat still can't.

I kind of agree with this. Some guys have it, some guys don't.