Non-Football: Anybody watch the debates last night?

redshirt32 · 10-04-2000, 09:08 AM

I remember the richest 1% of us use fuzzy math while inside a lockbox... [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

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JOhn · 10-04-2000, 09:10 AM

Hey, I remember that!

Luz
and we've been in that lock box for seven years...

milkman · 10-04-2000, 09:11 AM

I just know that if Gore gets elected I might get a tax break in another 19 years when my kid goes to college. WhooHoo! now I have something to look forward to.

Morphius
Still wants to know the def of middle class.

JOhn · 10-04-2000, 09:15 AM

morphius,

It's whatever you aint.

Luz
translating gorespeak...<BR>

milkman · 10-04-2000, 09:17 AM

Luz - I was guessing it was someone making around 26 grand a year, you know the big money makers in the country.

Morphius
Gore makes me feel like upper middle class, my life OTOH does not.

10-04-2000, 09:19 AM

Didnt watch it, but I can guess the story line.

Gore: He wants to take all the money and give it to the RICH! He also wants to starve kids, make the elderly choose between drugs or food, and confiscate all the money from the middle class.

Bush: I do not.

VAChief · 10-04-2000, 09:20 AM

It was like watching children fight over the same toy. In a nutshell, blah blah blah blah blah blah.... The numbers do not add up on either side, nice...

JOhn · 10-04-2000, 09:27 AM

Gregg,

Actually, it was more substantive than I expected it to be.

Bush actually got in some good licks!

I personally believe that appearances are more important in these things than what is actually said (unfortunately) and Gore probably looked more 'Presidential'.

Bush, on the other hand, seemed sincere and effectively labeled Gore as a 'tax and spend' liberal that makes a lot of promises and doesn't deliver! ~ larges planned budget increase in history, will appoint liberal Supreme Court judges, has been promising these same things (Medicare & SS reform) for seven years and still hasn't done them...

A much better debate than I expected.

Luz
the real fireworks will be the vps on thursday...

redshirt32 · 10-04-2000, 09:27 AM

It was more like:

Gore: What ya doin bro?
Bush: Nothin. Just watchin' the Cheifs and havin' a Bud...
Gore: True....
Bush: Whazzup!
Gore: WHAZZUP!
Lehrer: WHAZZUP!<BR>

milkman · 10-04-2000, 09:29 AM

Gores best line, paraphrased to a minor degree, "I don't think we should use personal attack's on scandel's and such things, and I'm going to be the bigger man and not talk about such things."

I found that really damn funny, I have no good scandle's to talk about you so I will take the higher ground. Nothing like going out on a limb.

Thought the parts I did watch were pretty lame for both guys.

milkman · 10-04-2000, 09:33 AM

Luz - I think it would have been great for Bush to make a comment about all the sighs that Gore let out everytime he talked about him. I think a comment along the lines of, is that the same way you act when you are talking to foreign leader when they give you their opinion, are you really that condesending to everyone, or is that just an act for TV? Just a thought.

bishop_74 · 10-04-2000, 09:36 AM

I think Lehrer let Gore break the rules of debate too much. Gore broke into Bush's time several times and Lehrer let it happen.

If I was Bush I'd carry a squirt gun in my pocket and blast him with water the first time he interrupted me.

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redshirt32 · 10-04-2000, 09:40 AM

I like Bush's "You have no credibility on this issue" concerning campaign finance reform... Right on the mark...

And Gore's straight-faced lie that his kids went to public school... They never did.

And Gore's FEMA credit stealing when he said he was with FEMA in Texas during the floods...

Is this guy Mr.MeToo or what...

And the story about the little girl standing in class because of no place to sit was a total fabrication...

Yep, seems to me Al Gore is well equipped to assume the mantel of the Lincoln Bedroom...<BR>

JOhn · 10-04-2000, 09:42 AM

morphius,

Great rejoinder!

I found myself on several occasions wishing that it was I debating Gore...

When Gore made his disruptive commemtaries about Russia already having a different stance, I would have said, "that's right Al, with your leadership we can't get them to do anything we want them to. If they were dealing with a US administration they could trust, perhaps it would be different."

I also wanted Bush to hammer home that America is tired of fancy politicians conducting business as usual in Washington.

Everytime Gore started talking about more government spending Bush could have asked if this was more Washington promises and then used his 'fuzzy math' line to put Gore on the spot asking him how he's going to do all these things without RAISING taxes.

THEN when Gore said he wouldn't raise taxes, Bush could have asked why anyone should believe this Washington-speak when the middle class is STILL waiting on the tax cut he promised eight years ago!

Luz
getting wound up...

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**morphius** · 10-04-2000, 09:43 AM

It would be nice to hear an actual answer to one of the questions, rather than the endless babble we were subjected to.

I got so sick of hearing about what they're promising to "do" for the American people. At least past candidates (Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Dole) actually seemed sincere when they were lying to us. I could almost smell the BS coming through my TV last night.

10-04-2000, 09:10 AM	#2
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10-04-2000, 09:11 AM	#3
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	I just know that if Gore gets elected I might get a tax break in another 19 years when my kid goes to college. WhooHoo! now I have something to look forward to. Morphius Still wants to know the def of middle class.
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10-04-2000, 09:15 AM	#4
JOhn El' Barto Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Cody, WY / Tucson AZ Casino cash: $9964900	morphius, It's whatever you aint. Luz translating gorespeak...<BR>
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10-04-2000, 09:17 AM	#5
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Luz - I was guessing it was someone making around 26 grand a year, you know the big money makers in the country. Morphius Gore makes me feel like upper middle class, my life OTOH does not.
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10-04-2000, 09:19 AM	#6
Phobia Guest Casino cash: $	Didnt watch it, but I can guess the story line. Gore: He wants to take all the money and give it to the RICH! He also wants to starve kids, make the elderly choose between drugs or food, and confiscate all the money from the middle class. Bush: I do not.
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10-04-2000, 09:08 AM
redshirt32 Fire Controlman Vet Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: By the Sea Casino cash: $6144936	I remember the richest 1% of us use fuzzy math while inside a lockbox... [img]http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/wink.gif[/img] [This message has been edited by TheFly (edited 10-04-2000).]
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10-04-2000, 09:20 AM	#7
VAChief Comfortably Numb Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $5205842	It was like watching children fight over the same toy. In a nutshell, blah blah blah blah blah blah.... The numbers do not add up on either side, nice...
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10-04-2000, 09:27 AM	#8
JOhn El' Barto Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Cody, WY / Tucson AZ Casino cash: $9964900	Gregg, Actually, it was more substantive than I expected it to be. Bush actually got in some good licks! I personally believe that appearances are more important in these things than what is actually said (unfortunately) and Gore probably looked more 'Presidential'. Bush, on the other hand, seemed sincere and effectively labeled Gore as a 'tax and spend' liberal that makes a lot of promises and doesn't deliver! ~ larges planned budget increase in history, will appoint liberal Supreme Court judges, has been promising these same things (Medicare & SS reform) for seven years and still hasn't done them... A much better debate than I expected. Luz the real fireworks will be the vps on thursday...
Posts: 25,529

10-04-2000, 09:29 AM	#10
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Gores best line, paraphrased to a minor degree, "I don't think we should use personal attack's on scandel's and such things, and I'm going to be the bigger man and not talk about such things." I found that really damn funny, I have no good scandle's to talk about you so I will take the higher ground. Nothing like going out on a limb. Thought the parts I did watch were pretty lame for both guys.
Posts: 70,769

10-04-2000, 09:33 AM	#11
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Luz - I think it would have been great for Bush to make a comment about all the sighs that Gore let out everytime he talked about him. I think a comment along the lines of, is that the same way you act when you are talking to foreign leader when they give you their opinion, are you really that condesending to everyone, or is that just an act for TV? Just a thought.
Posts: 70,769

10-04-2000, 09:36 AM	#12
bishop_74 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Denver, CO. USA Casino cash: $8684993	I think Lehrer let Gore break the rules of debate too much. Gore broke into Bush's time several times and Lehrer let it happen. If I was Bush I'd carry a squirt gun in my pocket and blast him with water the first time he interrupted me. [This message has been edited by mlyonsd (edited 10-04-2000).]
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10-04-2000, 09:40 AM	#13
redshirt32 Fire Controlman Vet Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: By the Sea Casino cash: $6144936	I like Bush's "You have no credibility on this issue" concerning campaign finance reform... Right on the mark... And Gore's straight-faced lie that his kids went to public school... They never did. And Gore's FEMA credit stealing when he said he was with FEMA in Texas during the floods... Is this guy Mr.MeToo or what... And the story about the little girl standing in class because of no place to sit was a total fabrication... Yep, seems to me Al Gore is well equipped to assume the mantel of the Lincoln Bedroom...<BR>
Posts: 5,020

10-04-2000, 09:42 AM	#14
JOhn El' Barto Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Cody, WY / Tucson AZ Casino cash: $9964900	morphius, Great rejoinder! I found myself on several occasions wishing that it was I debating Gore... When Gore made his disruptive commemtaries about Russia already having a different stance, I would have said, "that's right Al, with your leadership we can't get them to do anything we want them to. If they were dealing with a US administration they could trust, perhaps it would be different." I also wanted Bush to hammer home that America is tired of fancy politicians conducting business as usual in Washington. Everytime Gore started talking about more government spending Bush could have asked if this was more Washington promises and then used his 'fuzzy math' line to put Gore on the spot asking him how he's going to do all these things without RAISING taxes. THEN when Gore said he wouldn't raise taxes, Bush could have asked why anyone should believe this Washington-speak when the middle class is STILL waiting on the tax cut he promised eight years ago! Luz getting wound up... [This message has been edited by Luzap (edited 10-04-2000).]
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10-04-2000, 09:43 AM	#15
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6935027	It would be nice to hear an actual answer to one of the questions, rather than the endless babble we were subjected to. I got so sick of hearing about what they're promising to "do" for the American people. At least past candidates (Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Dole) actually seemed sincere when they were lying to us. I could almost smell the BS coming through my TV last night.
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