If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[Messier]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Because the Alexsexuals hang their hats on QB efficiency, not QB production.

They never want to talk about QB passing TDs or total passing yards or 3rd down conversions or red zone TDs.

The be-all and end-all for the Alexsexual is a passer rating over 100 and a 70% completion ratio with few interceptions. Actually producing yards and TDs passing with that efficiency is something they either don't value or conveniently refuse to discuss.

Efficiency without production is worth little.

I worry more about the other pieces of our team than Smith. I want wins. Good D and turnovers will help as much as good QB play. If, as I feel and I guess so does Reid, no QB in this draft is going to become better than Smith, at least for a few years, why go the win big route now, when you'd be forcing it with a player you don't believe in?

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Messier

Sorry, I'm not the brightest. Maybe its not the best point, however.

I just needed an example of a team that didn't trade high picks for mediocrity and picked the Raiders. With Palmer, they were the very definition of "win-now' stupidity.

I was just trying to pick an example of a team to contrast with the Chiefs.

The best recent example is the Seahawks. They didn't trade high picks for mediocrity. They stayed patient and suffered through Tavares Jackson for a year while they built through the draft. They picked up Matt Flynn for nothing as a Free Agent. Then their franchise QB showed up last year and they pared Matt Flynn into late round picks.

That is how it is done.

That was my point. Showing how the top teams get built. It is not through trading away important draft picks to "win now", unless you are truly one key player from winning the super bowl. The Chiefs were not one key player away.

They really needed those 2- 2nd round picks to build their team for the future.

I'm not complaining. Like my signature says, "thanks for all the picks". It was just a bad move for a team that wants to build a future SB contender. It is not as if it is insurmountable. All bad moves become delaying setbacks. It doesn't automatically make you the Chicago Cubs.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Russell Wilson says "hi".

Screw you. You can't put words in my mouth.

I was talking strictly about wasting 2- 2nd round picks the Chiefs need to build a future win-big team.

Kaepernick was drafted #36 overall. That shows how stupid your comment was to imply I don't think elite QBs can be drafted later than 10th overall.

Even if the Chiefs don't think Alex Smith is a win big QB, and I'm not convinced that that's the case, the winning that the team does with Alex Smith won't stop them from finding that win big QB in future drafts as an endless list of QBs (Marino, Flacco, Montana, Brady, Favre, Rothlisberger, Warner, Brees, and Rodgers) have proven. Two 2nd round picks isn't exactly mortgaging the future.

Russell Wilson and Kaepernick haven't won big yet, so let's not get ahead of ourselves. But if and when they do, they'll just be more evidence that "win big" isn't out of reach of a team that strives to do what they can reasonably do to win now.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Messier

I worry more about the other pieces of our team than Smith. I want wins. Good D and turnovers will help as much as good QB play. If, as I feel and I guess so does Reid, no QB in this draft is going to become better than Smith, at least for a few years, why go the win big route now, when you'd be forcing it with a player you don't believe in?

Alex Smith is a very good starting NFL QB in the 15th-20th range. I would pick at least 15 QBs over him, but I would find it hard passing over him for most of the rest of them.

You are going to be very pleased with him, but sometimes very frustrated.

Good D and turnovers is a requirement to win it all, but so is a top 10 QB - the only exceptions to that in the past 30 years or so are Dilfer and Hoestetler. Even Brad Johnson was a top 10 QB the year he won the SB.

I was going to say top 5, but no way in hell Eli Manning is anything close to a top 5 QB and he has 2 super bowl rings. He rates high in clutch play in big games though. I will give him that much.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

I just needed an example of a team that didn't trade high picks for mediocrity and picked the Raiders. With Palmer, they were the very definition of "win-now' stupidity.

I was just trying to pick an example of a team to contrast with the Chiefs.

The best recent example is the Seahawks. They didn't trade high picks for mediocrity. They stayed patient and suffered through Tavares Jackson for a year while they built through the draft. They picked up Matt Flynn for nothing as a Free Agent. Then their franchise QB showed up last year and they pared Matt Flynn into late round picks.

That is how it is done.

That was my point. Showing how the top teams get built. It is not through trading away important draft picks to "win now", unless you are truly one key player from winning the super bowl. The Chiefs were not one key player away.

They really needed those 2- 2nd round picks to build their team for the future.

I'm not complaining. Like my signature says, "thanks for all the picks". It was just a bad move for a team that wants to build a future SB contender. It is not as if it is insurmountable. All bad moves become delaying setbacks. It doesn't automatically make you the Chicago Cubs.

I could be wrong, but Flynn was had for what his value is. He's most likely a backup QB. Now he could light it up, and prove me wrong, but I think he is what he is. I don't care that he was had for next to nothing, I don't know he's better than Chase Daniel frankly.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Even if the Chiefs don't think Alex Smith is a win big QB, and I'm not convinced that that's the case, the winning that the team does with Alex Smith won't stop them from finding that win big QB in future drafts as an endless list of QBs (Marino, Flacco, Montana, Brady, Favre, Rothlisberger, Warner, Brees, and Rodgers) have proven. Two 2nd round picks isn't exactly mortgaging the future.

Russell Wilson and Kaepernick haven't won big yet, so let's not get ahead of ourselves. But if and when they do, they'll just be more evidence that "win big" isn't out of reach of a team that strives to do what they can reasonably do to win now.

Your facts are dead right but your odds really sink when you stay an 8-8 team and try to find a franchise QB. The best odds of finding an elite QB prospect really skyrocked with a high 1st round draft choice.

wonton prejudice posted this picture a month ago. You really have to be aces at scouting and developing and then have some luck too, to find your franchise QB beyond the 1st round of the draft.

[O.city]

It's not just QB's, better players at each position are found in the first round. There is a reason they are first rounders.

Doesn't mean thats the only place to find one, just that your odds are probably higher there.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Messier

I could be wrong, but Flynn was had for what his value is. He's most likely a backup QB. Now he could light it up, and prove me wrong, but I think he is what he is. I don't care that he was had for next to nothing, I don't know he's better than Chase Daniel frankly.

Nobody knows how good Flynn is. All we know is that he is not as good as Russell Wilson. A lot of starting QBs are not as good as Russell Wilson. Alex smith is not as good as Russell Wilson. Or should I say, I would pick Russell Wilson over Alex if I was building a team.

Flynn came cheap because he is an unknown.

My only point was that the Chiefs should have kept their 2- 2nd rounders and built their D or O-line or position players, while patiently waiting to find their franchise QB.

Instead, the owner forced Reid & Dorsey to "win now". Dumb owner.

But thanks for the picks! We love Tank Carradine and still have a 3rd and 7th for next year and your #50-60 overall for next year too.

So it is not like I don't appreciate benefiting from your owner's short sightedness. Believe me, I do.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

OK, I stand corrected. My bad.

As crazy as it sounds "Snoopy" is actually pretty much spot on with Alice. This douche on the other hand has been proven to be a dumbass time and time again.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Your facts are dead right but your odds really sink when you stay an 8-8 team and try to find a franchise QB. The best odds of finding an elite QB prospect really skyrocked with a high 1st round draft choice.

wonton prejudice posted this picture a month ago. You really have to be aces at scouting and developing and then have some luck too, to find your franchise QB beyond the 1st round of the draft.

8-8 teams get 1st round picks too.

And given that 10 of those 16 1st round QBs were either acquired through trade, free agency, or outside the top 10 of the draft, there are way too many opportunities to find a "win big" QB outside the top 10 of the draft to make it attractive to me to forgo a winning QB option in order to have a better chance at a really high draft pick.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

As crazy as it sounds "Snoopy" is actually pretty much spot on with Alice. This douche on the other hand has been proven to be a dumbass time and time again.

His massive neg rep came from somewhere. It didn't come from criticizing Alex.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Your facts are dead right but your odds really sink when you stay an 8-8 team and try to find a franchise QB. The best odds of finding an elite QB prospect really skyrocked with a high 1st round draft choice.

wonton prejudice posted this picture a month ago. You really have to be aces at scouting and developing and then have some luck too, to find your franchise QB beyond the 1st round of the draft.

You do realize where your butt buddy Kap was drafted?

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by patteeu

8-8 teams get 1st round picks too.

And given that 10 of those 16 1st round QBs were either acquired through trade, free agency, or outside the top 10 of the draft, there are way too many opportunities to find a "win big" QB outside the top 10 of the draft to make it attractive to me to forgo a winning QB option in order to have a better chance at a really high draft pick.

True, which makes it doubly stupid to trade off 2- 2nd rounders you need for other positions to take a temporary place holder QB for however many years.

I have read thousands of posts here from Chiefs fans who are willing to suffer bad play and bad records for 2 or 3 years while building a championship caliber team. I agree. Trading your #34 one year and your #50 the next is not a good prescription for building a championship team.

The owner is short sighted, settling for smaller money and ticket sales now, rather than larger money and ticket prices later off the back side of super bowl runs or wins.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by PGM

You do realize where your butt buddy Kap was drafted?

You do realize the 49ers didn't squander the #34th overall pick and a conditional 3rd/2nd rounder the next year, for the privelege?

That is my point. Your boys threw away important draft picks for what will prove to be a temporary place holder.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

His massive neg rep came from somewhere. It didn't come from criticizing Alex.

Possibly, but he did say that if Reid thinks Alice is the long term solution he is a dumbass so that earned him some points with me even though I think I contributed to his redness when he first showed up.