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Old 04-23-2007, 08:40 AM  
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=afOlUzd30YOo

Pretty alarmist, IMO, but possible.

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Old 05-21-2008, 12:51 PM   #661
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J. Stephen Simon, executive vice president of Exxon Mobil Corp., said profits have been huge "in absolute terms" but must be viewed in the context of the massive scale of the industry." He also said high earnings are needed "in the current up cycle" to pay for investments in the long term when profits will be down


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
It really isn't his fault that even some members of Congress aren't familiar with the concept of profit margin.
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:41 PM   #662
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J. Stephen Simon, executive vice president of Exxon Mobil Corp., said profits have been huge "in absolute terms" but must be viewed in the context of the massive scale of the industry." He also said high earnings are needed "in the current up cycle" to pay for investments in the long term when profits will be down


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
I think I used something along those lines a few years back when I was trying to get a woman in the sack.
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:44 PM   #663
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I would think these are going to sell pretty well:

http://www.smartusa.com/
33mpg city, 41mpg hwy...I'm sorry, I'd have to be getting better than 50mpg to justify looking like a fuggin' idiot driving one of those things...
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Old 05-21-2008, 02:21 PM   #664
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33mpg city, 41mpg hwy...I'm sorry, I'd have to be getting better than 50mpg to justify looking like a fuggin' idiot driving one of those things...
Agreed. I don't want to save money that damned bad.

I've seen at least two of those in Naperville over the past couple of months, however. They look even smaller in real life.
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Old 05-21-2008, 02:28 PM   #665
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Agreed. I don't want to save money that damned bad.

I've seen at least two of those in Naperville over the past couple of months, however. They look even smaller in real life.
I saw one here in Papillion a couple of weeks ago...it was just too weird for words...and yeah, it looked really friggin small...almost like it would fold up and fit in the trunk of my Intrepid...
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Old 05-21-2008, 02:29 PM   #666
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Okay I've always thought this energy market was due to basic supply of crude issues, if it looks like shit and it smells like shit, it's shit, but there was reason to doubt because there are still plenty of guys in suits who say otherwise.

But this came out today:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1211...googlenews_wsj

Oil Monitor to Slash Estimate Of World's Supply of Crude
By Neil King Jr. and Peter Fritsch
Word Count: 1,215

The world's premier energy monitor is preparing a sharp downward revision of its oil-supply forecast, a shift that reflects deepening pessimism over whether oil companies can keep abreast of booming demand.

The Paris-based International Energy Agency is in the middle of a large study of the condition of world's top oil fields. Its findings won't be released until November, but the bottom line is already clear: Future crude-oil supplies could be far tighter than previously thought.

The IEA has predicted for several years that crude-oil supplies will arc gently upward to keep pace with rising demand, topping 116 million barrels


Of course the prices on crude futures are skyrocketing today in response. Folks, there are still going to be people who disagree, but the reality is this most likely a supply problem. We're not running out of oil but we can no longer produce it fast enough to fuel the global economy. We've probably peaked.

It's easy of course for people to point at crude futures speculation and say that's what is causing the high prices but in shortages of a commodity speculation is always the leader. So yes speculation drives the price, but speculation is inevitable in the face of supply issues so that doesn't mean that the problem isn't there.

Donger I know you've been on the other side of the fence for awhile now so I'm interested in your thoughts on this.
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Old 05-21-2008, 02:36 PM   #667
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Okay I've always thought this energy market was due to basic supply of crude issues, if it looks like shit and it smells like shit, it's shit, but there was reason to doubt because there are still plenty of guys in suits who say otherwise.

But this came out today:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1211...googlenews_wsj

Oil Monitor to Slash Estimate Of World's Supply of Crude
By Neil King Jr. and Peter Fritsch
Word Count: 1,215

The world's premier energy monitor is preparing a sharp downward revision of its oil-supply forecast, a shift that reflects deepening pessimism over whether oil companies can keep abreast of booming demand.

The Paris-based International Energy Agency is in the middle of a large study of the condition of world's top oil fields. Its findings won't be released until November, but the bottom line is already clear: Future crude-oil supplies could be far tighter than previously thought.

The IEA has predicted for several years that crude-oil supplies will arc gently upward to keep pace with rising demand, topping 116 million barrels


Of course the prices on crude futures are skyrocketing today in response. Folks, there are still going to be people who disagree, but the reality is this most likely a supply problem. We're not running out of oil but we can no longer produce it fast enough to fuel the global economy. We've probably peaked.

It's easy of course for people to point at crude futures speculation and say that's what is causing the high prices but in shortages of a commodity speculation is always the leader. So yes speculation drives the price, but speculation is inevitable in the face of supply issues so that doesn't mean that the problem isn't there.

Donger I know you've been on the other side of the fence for awhile now so I'm interested in your thoughts on this.
No, we haven't peaked. OPEC could pump more if they wanted.
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Old 05-21-2008, 02:41 PM   #668
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No, we haven't peaked. OPEC could pump more if they wanted.
Could they? How much more? I don't see why they're not trying to capitalize on these prices. What you're suggesting is that all of the Opec members have collectively decided not to profiteer on these prices when they've always been willing to do so in the past? Seems.. unlikely.
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Old 05-21-2008, 02:49 PM   #669
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Could they? How much more? I don't see why they're not trying to capitalize on these prices. What you're suggesting is that all of the Opec members have collectively decided not to profiteer on these prices when they've always been willing to do so in the past? Seems.. unlikely.
The Saudis have a 2 million bb/d reserve capacity.
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Old 05-21-2008, 02:57 PM   #670
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The Saudis have a 2 million bb/d reserve capacity.
out of 88m worldwide production? I think you're starting to use technicalities at that point if you call that not peaked.
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Old 05-21-2008, 02:59 PM   #671
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33mpg city, 41mpg hwy...I'm sorry, I'd have to be getting better than 50mpg to justify looking like a fuggin' idiot driving one of those things...
What if I told you getting 40 MPG was easy and you don’t have to look like a fool doing it?

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Old 05-21-2008, 02:59 PM   #672
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out of 88m worldwide production? I think you're starting to use technicalities at that point if you call that not peaked.
It's pretty simple. Do you see any gas stations that have no gas for sale?
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Old 05-21-2008, 02:59 PM   #673
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What if I told you getting 40 MPG was easy and you don’t have to look like a fool doing it?

although the not looking like a fool part is strictly subjective.
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It's pretty simple. Do you see any gas stations that have no gas for sale?
Not here no, but I don't get to rural stations in India or the far east too often...

Although about half the stations I frequent don't have any premium for sale. I haven't looked into it at all but my guess is that refineries have switched premium lines over to diesel to capitalize on the diesel prices.
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although the not looking like a fool part is strictly subjective.
If you’re looking like a fool on one of those at least the people watching won’t see it for long.
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