Chiefs Mahomes' worst game

ModSocks · 05-19-2017, 04:15 PM

Yes, yes, by now we've all seen that crazy OU game and his many, many other incredible games. But what about his bad ones?

I think it's only fair to acknowledge where he's lacking. Lets be honest about Mahomes and not lie to ourselves. There's been some incredible hype around here and for good reason. But in an effort to keep ourselves grounded, lets discuss what he needs to do better so he can actually become that franchise QB we all think he will be.

Early on, i wasn't sold on him. I thought his footwork was awful. The more i watched of him, the more i realized that his footwork, while far from perfect, is actually a STRENGTH of his.

People focus on his footwork and say he needs to fix it. I use to say that. I completely disagree now. His ability to throw off balance is what makes him special. Lets not have him thinking about his steps and feet. Instead, let his natural ability go to work, and focus on other aspects of his game.

So, i present to you the worst game of his collegiate career.

18/36
1TD, 2INTS
50% Completion %
219 Yards
40.8 QBR.

This is what his worst looks like.

ModSocks · 05-19-2017, 04:16 PM

**Rain Man** · 05-19-2017, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing;12881169>

Mahomes' worst game

Burn the heretic.

ModSocks · 05-19-2017, 04:17 PM

What happened to the 2017 NFL draft's top quarterbacks during their worst games?

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/04/06/nf...mes-weaknesses

Patrick Mahomes: Variety

The plan for Jon Heacock and his Iowa State defense was the same as it always is. Pressure the quarterback. Get him off his spot and force him out of the pocket. Make him uncomfortable. Change schemes, disguise coverages and alternate fronts, constantly giving him something new to think about.

It’s a simple, two-pronged system: Affect the quarterback physically, affect the quarterback mentally. But on Nov. 19, as Iowa State faced off against Patrick Mahomes and the prodigious Texas Tech offense, it was even more important than usual.

“We just felt that we couldn’t allow him to throw the way he had been throwing," Heacock says. “We didn’t want to give him the same look twice or he’d kill you. So we knew we had to get him doing something different. If you didn’t, you were going to be the end result of what everyone else was. And that’s not a lot of fun.”

Mahomes led the Red Raiders into Ames piloting an offense that had averaged 46 points per game, good for second in the nation. He had thrown for 4,247 yards over the first 10 games of his junior season, 637 more than the next closest passer. His 34 passing touchdowns ranked third in the nation (his 46 total touchdowns were good for second), and his 4,540 total yards led the country. And while not a burner in the open field, Mahomes was still a threat with his feet—his 12 rushing touchdowns (fourth among QBs) were proof positive for any potentially skeptical Cyclone defender.

“He had great command of their offense, and he can make all the throws,” Heacock says. “Plus his demeanor on the field, his savvy, he’s awfully, awfully talented. So we tried to do everything we could to not be one-dimensional. If you start doing the same thing on defense a bunch [against him], it will be a bad day for you.”

The Iowa State defense was no juggernaut, entering the day allowing 31.7 points per game, 91st in the country. Already that season they had allowed 42 to Iowa, 41 to TCU and 45 to Baylor. And yet…

By the second drive of the game, Mahomes was already under constant duress. Heacock’s plan was to force the quarterback out to his left, which would make it more difficult for Mahomes, a righty thrower, to effectively see the field.

“We did not want him to set his feet,” Heacock says. “He’s a dangerous dude sitting back there in the pocket. He will wear you out. So we felt like we had to get him off his spot, and if we were going to do that we wanted him going away from his real sight of vision.”

The Cyclones’ most effective blitz is not really a blitz at all. Heacock often establishes one defender to sit back as a “quarterback spy,” and as the play develops, if the defender sees an opening to get to the QB, he has the freedom to rush. Against Mahomes, Heacock often tabbed sophomore linebacker Willie Harvey for the job. And on the Red Raiders’ second offensive drive, as Mahomes dropped back and surveyed the field, he found his receivers swarmed. After the running back split out into the flat, Harvey saw his opening and pummeled the unprotected QB. It would be the first of only two sacks for Iowa State on the day, but it was a harbinger of the constant pressure Mahomes would have to contend with.

Later in the drive Mahomes took off on a designed QB run. He managed seven yards but finished the play by lowering his non-throwing shoulder into a defender. He stayed in for the remaining five plays of the series—which ended in a field goal—and the first play of the next series before crumpling to the ground in pain. Mahomes would be taken to the locker room and miss a little over four minutes of game time. By the time he got back on the field, Texas Tech was already trailing 21–3.

The Cyclones would get more help, still. On the second play after Mahomes returned, a botched handoff resulted in a fumble. 28–3, Iowa State. Then, with desperation setting in among the Red Raiders, a fourth-down attempt came up empty. 35–3, Iowa State.

Mahomes, now frantic for points, constantly under pressure, not comfortable mentally or physically, had to start heaving the ball downfield. Midway through the second quarter, he threw off his back foot and into double coverage over the middle on a third-and-10. The resulting interception went back 48 yards for a touchdown: 42–3, Iowa State, before the halftime whistle even sounded.

Tombstone RJ · 05-19-2017, 04:19 PM

Mahomo hasn't played his worst game, yet...

...that will come against the Broncos, BIATCHES!!!!!!

pugsnotdrugs19 · 05-19-2017, 04:22 PM

I think that's why Andy somewhat hinted that they were not going to turn his footwork into a major project. Hell, Andy even said something along the lines of 'If the pass is complete, that's all we care about'.

And honestly, he makes a great point. As I said before, a HUGE chunk of pass attempts in today's NFL are from the gun, especially with our offense. That minimizes the importance of footwork quite a bit.

The bottom line is, Pat's ability to improvise and make plays on his own is what is going to give him a chance to be a blue chip QB. Plain and simple. To take that away at all would be insanely stupid.

If I had to guess, they want him to learn the playbook and all of that, but the fundamental adjustments are not going to be near as vital or necessary as some may believe. Playmakers make plays, doesn't matter how.

**The Franchise** · 05-19-2017, 04:26 PM

Got hurt on the 2nd drive. I've heard reports that was the reason why he was off that game.

Spott · 05-19-2017, 04:26 PM

219 yards and 1 touchdown is his worst game, yet Alex has made a career out of those same numbers.

ModSocks · 05-19-2017, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Burn the heretic.

ikr. I figured the reaction would be something along the lines of "YOU MOTHER****ER NUT HOOKS!".

But i think it's only fair to acknowledge his warts.

IMO, what he really needs to fix is not his footwork, but the following:

1) I'd like to see him climb the pocket. some times he rolls to the outside when being pressured when it's not necessary. The positive is that he's absolutely deadly when a play breaks down. But i feel like he moves in the pocket even when it's not needed.

2) Forcing the Ball...kinda. The Gunslinger thing is a double edged sword, obviously. However, i wish he'd be a little more careful when he does put it up. He has balls that (sometimes it works out for him) he literally just tosses up for grabs.

3) Ball placement. Yes, at times his placement is immaculate. Other times, he throws high. I've even seen passes of his go straight into the ground. He needs to get more consistent with ball placement. Most would chalk this up to his footwork. But like i said, i don't really wanna **** with his footwork.

**Rain Man** · 05-19-2017, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Got hurt on the 2nd drive. I've heard reports that was the reason why he was off that game.

Was it Pinkerton and Billy Ray that did it? I hate those guys.

ModSocks · 05-19-2017, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Got hurt on the 2nd drive. I've heard reports that was the reason why he was off that game.

Which brings up another point. The guy takes some shots. When he injured his shoulder, the hit he took was brutal. He knows how to slide and he does it well. I'd like to see him slide a bit more. Hell, some plays i've seen him lead into the defender with his shoulder.

Gotta love the heart, but we can't him getting injured.

It's not like the dude is iron man. He's been dinged up.

**The Franchise** · 05-19-2017, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Which brings up another point. The guy takes some shots. When he injured his shoulder, the hit he took was brutal. He knows how to slide and he does it well. I'd like to see him slide a bit more. Hell, some plays i've seen him lead into the defender with his shoulder.

Gotta love the heart, but we can't him getting injured.

It's not like the dude is iron man. He's been dinged up.

Yeah, he definitely has to work on that.

**Rain Man** · 05-19-2017, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Mahomo hasn't played his worst game, yet...

...that will come against the Broncos, BIATCHES!!!!!!

Handing off a lot to protect a big lead isn't a bad game. It just doesn't produce a lot of stats.

beach tribe · 05-19-2017, 04:37 PM

Mmmmm, I loves me some yummy 60fps...

Wish Patty looked a little better in it...

Not a good game...It happens.

O.city · 05-19-2017, 04:38 PM

The footwork thing is weird to me. It didn't seem to really effect his accuracy but I think you've gotta clean it up a bit. With all the timing stuff the chiefs do its gotta be somewhat right I'd think.

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ModSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $4284563	Mahomes' worst game Yes, yes, by now we've all seen that crazy OU game and his many, many other incredible games. But what about his bad ones? I think it's only fair to acknowledge where he's lacking. Lets be honest about Mahomes and not lie to ourselves. There's been some incredible hype around here and for good reason. But in an effort to keep ourselves grounded, lets discuss what he needs to do better so he can actually become that franchise QB we all think he will be. Early on, i wasn't sold on him. I thought his footwork was awful. The more i watched of him, the more i realized that his footwork, while far from perfect, is actually a STRENGTH of his. People focus on his footwork and say he needs to fix it. I use to say that. I completely disagree now. His ability to throw off balance is what makes him special. Lets not have him thinking about his steps and feet. Instead, let his natural ability go to work, and focus on other aspects of his game. So, i present to you the worst game of his collegiate career. 18/36 1TD, 2INTS 50% Completion % 219 Yards 40.8 QBR. This is what his worst looks like.
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05-19-2017, 04:17 PM	#4
ModSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $4284563	What happened to the 2017 NFL draft's top quarterbacks during their worst games? https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/04/06/nf...mes-weaknesses Patrick Mahomes: Variety The plan for Jon Heacock and his Iowa State defense was the same as it always is. Pressure the quarterback. Get him off his spot and force him out of the pocket. Make him uncomfortable. Change schemes, disguise coverages and alternate fronts, constantly giving him something new to think about. It’s a simple, two-pronged system: Affect the quarterback physically, affect the quarterback mentally. But on Nov. 19, as Iowa State faced off against Patrick Mahomes and the prodigious Texas Tech offense, it was even more important than usual. “We just felt that we couldn’t allow him to throw the way he had been throwing," Heacock says. “We didn’t want to give him the same look twice or he’d kill you. So we knew we had to get him doing something different. If you didn’t, you were going to be the end result of what everyone else was. And that’s not a lot of fun.” Mahomes led the Red Raiders into Ames piloting an offense that had averaged 46 points per game, good for second in the nation. He had thrown for 4,247 yards over the first 10 games of his junior season, 637 more than the next closest passer. His 34 passing touchdowns ranked third in the nation (his 46 total touchdowns were good for second), and his 4,540 total yards led the country. And while not a burner in the open field, Mahomes was still a threat with his feet—his 12 rushing touchdowns (fourth among QBs) were proof positive for any potentially skeptical Cyclone defender. “He had great command of their offense, and he can make all the throws,” Heacock says. “Plus his demeanor on the field, his savvy, he’s awfully, awfully talented. So we tried to do everything we could to not be one-dimensional. If you start doing the same thing on defense a bunch [against him], it will be a bad day for you.” The Iowa State defense was no juggernaut, entering the day allowing 31.7 points per game, 91st in the country. Already that season they had allowed 42 to Iowa, 41 to TCU and 45 to Baylor. And yet… By the second drive of the game, Mahomes was already under constant duress. Heacock’s plan was to force the quarterback out to his left, which would make it more difficult for Mahomes, a righty thrower, to effectively see the field. “We did not want him to set his feet,” Heacock says. “He’s a dangerous dude sitting back there in the pocket. He will wear you out. So we felt like we had to get him off his spot, and if we were going to do that we wanted him going away from his real sight of vision.” The Cyclones’ most effective blitz is not really a blitz at all. Heacock often establishes one defender to sit back as a “quarterback spy,” and as the play develops, if the defender sees an opening to get to the QB, he has the freedom to rush. Against Mahomes, Heacock often tabbed sophomore linebacker Willie Harvey for the job. And on the Red Raiders’ second offensive drive, as Mahomes dropped back and surveyed the field, he found his receivers swarmed. After the running back split out into the flat, Harvey saw his opening and pummeled the unprotected QB. It would be the first of only two sacks for Iowa State on the day, but it was a harbinger of the constant pressure Mahomes would have to contend with. Later in the drive Mahomes took off on a designed QB run. He managed seven yards but finished the play by lowering his non-throwing shoulder into a defender. He stayed in for the remaining five plays of the series—which ended in a field goal—and the first play of the next series before crumpling to the ground in pain. Mahomes would be taken to the locker room and miss a little over four minutes of game time. By the time he got back on the field, Texas Tech was already trailing 21–3. The Cyclones would get more help, still. On the second play after Mahomes returned, a botched handoff resulted in a fumble. 28–3, Iowa State. Then, with desperation setting in among the Red Raiders, a fourth-down attempt came up empty. 35–3, Iowa State. Mahomes, now frantic for points, constantly under pressure, not comfortable mentally or physically, had to start heaving the ball downfield. Midway through the second quarter, he threw off his back foot and into double coverage over the middle on a third-and-10. The resulting interception went back 48 yards for a touchdown: 42–3, Iowa State, before the halftime whistle even sounded. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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05-19-2017, 04:22 PM	#6
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $9139447	I think that's why Andy somewhat hinted that they were not going to turn his footwork into a major project. Hell, Andy even said something along the lines of 'If the pass is complete, that's all we care about'. And honestly, he makes a great point. As I said before, a HUGE chunk of pass attempts in today's NFL are from the gun, especially with our offense. That minimizes the importance of footwork quite a bit. The bottom line is, Pat's ability to improvise and make plays on his own is what is going to give him a chance to be a blue chip QB. Plain and simple. To take that away at all would be insanely stupid. If I had to guess, they want him to learn the playbook and all of that, but the fundamental adjustments are not going to be near as vital or necessary as some may believe. Playmakers make plays, doesn't matter how.
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The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3115047	Got hurt on the 2nd drive. I've heard reports that was the reason why he was off that game.
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Spott Court Jester Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Orlando Casino cash: $3092400	219 yards and 1 touchdown is his worst game, yet Alex has made a career out of those same numbers.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2754064	The footwork thing is weird to me. It didn't seem to really effect his accuracy but I think you've gotta clean it up a bit. With all the timing stuff the chiefs do its gotta be somewhat right I'd think.
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