Chiefs Petro a& Lenny "Don't blame the offense" - Page 6

**petegz28** · 12-22-2008, 12:38 PM

On the way to the airport I was listening to Soren and Lenny. While Lenny was a bit more critical of Thigy, both said this game was not the fault of the offense. 500 yard and 31 points should never net you a loss.

Lenny reminded us what some here tried to say yesterday, "offense is fun to watch but defense wins games".

Miami had the ball for 12 minutes in the 4th quarter. That says it right there. That is the game. This offense battled back from poor special teams play and defensive play (opening play), to hand the defense yet another lead.

Both said Thigy's performance is expected for a 1st year QB. Did he make dumb throws? Yes. Should he have had more INT's? Yes. But as Soren pointed out, Pennignton also got away with 2 or 3 balls that were tipped and close to being picked off.

Bottom line is the offense has been moving the ball and scoring and the defense has yet to hold a lead. Again as Lenny said, you can't keep trying to outscore your opponents ala DV. Defense has to show up and play.

**SAUTO** · 12-22-2008, 01:22 PM

carson palmer career rating of 88.9!!! yeah thats top 5 qb worthy. you guys are hilarious

Hootie · 12-22-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Rivers holds the ball and takes alot of sacks so if anyone is going to rail on Palmer for being immobile Rivers does the same stuff...

Sure, Rivers takes a lot of sacks...but he also makes plays with his feet...3 of his 4 TD passes yesterday were all because he is mobile and got out of the pocket and gave his receivers extra time to get open in the end zone.

ChiefsCountry · 12-22-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Carson Palmer isn't even in the same world as Peyton Manning.

Everyone gives the Colts credit for all of the pieces they surround Peyton with...but living in Illinois I get EVERY Colts game and they have a defense that is almost as bad as the one we field...Harrison is noticeably washed up...Clark is an average TE that Peyton glorifies...that offensive line is shaky at best and they have NO running game this year...

It's Peyton and Wayne...mostly Peyton...and he's willed that team on one knee from 3-4 to 11-4...

Carson Palmer is a #1 pick that has been surrounded by talent on the offensive side of the ball his whole career...the year he took over for Kitna the Bengals won 8 or 9 games I believe...they might have been a playoff team.

Since then Palmer has made the playoffs once and has underachieved every year because he has terrible ball control. Too many turnovers, not enough 3rd down conversions...the dude is flat out overrated...always has been...and now he's injury prone. I told Mecca the Bengals won't win 7 games next year with a healthy Palmer and he won't take the bet because he knows it's a bad bet.

A franchise QB wills their team to the playoffs, period.

See Matt Ryan.

You are also the idiot who pimped Damon Huard.

Mecca · 12-22-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

but he always has injuries that limit his play. what's his career won loss record?

According to this argument I better never hear it's not Thigpens fault and it's the defenses fault ever again.

**HemiEd** · 12-22-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Palmer is Trent Green. If he has an above average line and skill players, he will dominate. I don't see Carson as that guy that can lift the talent of the players around him, though.

I agree, Palmer is no longer an ascending player.

CoMoChief · 12-22-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

but he always has injuries that limit his play. what's his career won loss record?

W-L record many times has nothing to do with QB play.

CIN defense have been among the worst units in the NFL for nearly 20 years.

Mecca · 12-22-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I agree, Palmer is no longer an ascending player.

He's 28 and he's way more naturally gifted than Green ever was.

ChiefsCountry · 12-22-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

carson palmer career rating of 88.9!!! yeah thats top 5 qb worthy. you guys are hilarious

Go look up John Elway's and then you will look like a jackass for bringing QB rating into the picture.

Hootie · 12-22-2008, 01:24 PM

2006 Palmer fumbles the ball 15 times...2007 he throws 20 picks...sorry dude, the guy is a turnover machine...hurts his team as much as he helps it...it's evidenced by their record...the Bengals are 7-9 or 8-8 every year...so fine, maybe he's not awful, but he's nothing more than average.

I'll take a guy like Thigpen because at least he has potential...you say you can't win a Super Bowl with Thigpen...which is probably true...but you can't win one with Carson Palmer either so why are we trading our entire roster for a guy that is worth a late 2nd round pick, tops?

Mecca · 12-22-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

W-L record many times has nothing to do with QB play.

CIN defense have been among the worst units in the NFL for nearly 20 years.

Jasons argument basically says Tyler Thigpen blows ****in balls you should hate him with this argument because as a starter he is now 1-9.

Hootie · 12-22-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

You are also the idiot who pimped Damon Huard.

Never pimped Damon Huard...

Said he was a better fit for the R2P2 than Trent Green and Brodie Croyle...which was 100% correct.

**SAUTO** · 12-22-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Go look up John Elway's and then you will look like a jackass for bringing QB rating into the picture.

ok buddy how do YOU want to compare QBs? i guarantee palmer isnt top5 in any way you can measure by stats AND thats with 2 yes 2 all pro recievers(who would be on most any team)

Hootie · 12-22-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

W-L record many times has nothing to do with QB play.

CIN defense have been among the worst units in the NFL for nearly 20 years.

watch the Colts defense play a game this year and then tell me who's responsible for them being in the playoffs...

A healthy Palmer on the Colts and I'd say they'd have 3 or 4 wins this year.

CoMoChief · 12-22-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

You are also the idiot who pimped Damon Huard.

Peyton clearly has more talent around him than Palmer does. Its not even close.

Marvin lost a step but still is one of the better WRs in the NFL

Clark is better than any TE the Bengals ever had in the history if their existence.

Wayne is better than both Ocho Cinco and Housh.

Not to mention Manning almost NEVER gets sacked.

Hootie · 12-22-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

According to this argument I better never hear it's not Thigpens fault and it's the defenses fault ever again.

Fortunately, Thigpen is a first year starter...when Manning was where Palmer is at now he was winning 12+ games a year and his team was a legit threat every year because Peyton Manning was QB...

Opposing defenses are suppose to fear a franchise QB...opposing defenses can't wait to square off against Palmer (see Jared Allen) because he can't feel the pressure and he's a turnover waiting to happen.

12-22-2008, 12:38 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2674127	Petro a& Lenny "Don't blame the offense" On the way to the airport I was listening to Soren and Lenny. While Lenny was a bit more critical of Thigy, both said this game was not the fault of the offense. 500 yard and 31 points should never net you a loss. Lenny reminded us what some here tried to say yesterday, "offense is fun to watch but defense wins games". Miami had the ball for 12 minutes in the 4th quarter. That says it right there. That is the game. This offense battled back from poor special teams play and defensive play (opening play), to hand the defense yet another lead. Both said Thigy's performance is expected for a 1st year QB. Did he make dumb throws? Yes. Should he have had more INT's? Yes. But as Soren pointed out, Pennignton also got away with 2 or 3 balls that were tipped and close to being picked off. Bottom line is the offense has been moving the ball and scoring and the defense has yet to hold a lead. Again as Lenny said, you can't keep trying to outscore your opponents ala DV. Defense has to show up and play.
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	2006 Palmer fumbles the ball 15 times...2007 he throws 20 picks...sorry dude, the guy is a turnover machine...hurts his team as much as he helps it...it's evidenced by their record...the Bengals are 7-9 or 8-8 every year...so fine, maybe he's not awful, but he's nothing more than average. I'll take a guy like Thigpen because at least he has potential...you say you can't win a Super Bowl with Thigpen...which is probably true...but you can't win one with Carson Palmer either so why are we trading our entire roster for a guy that is worth a late 2nd round pick, tops?
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