Chris Weinke (IMG Academy) Talks with Danny Parkins about upcoming QB class.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

he has plenty of arm strength for the NFL and he's plenty accurate to. Hell he's got a stronger arm that half the NFL at this point. Accuracy he's had and he can even learn more and go farther. Especially with a system and coach like reid. Hell peyton has a ****ing NOODLE arm but he does what he does cause he's smart and he has the system perfectly fit to him.

I'm a firm believer that accuracy is a product of the system that you put around your QB.

Accuracy is wha????


Barkley struggled with accuracy this year throwing a career high in INTs.


Barkley has the ceiling of a high end game manager. You can win with that, even win a playoff game or two. But without an elite group around him, I tend to think thats about it.

[fairladyZ]

Originally Posted by O.city

Accuracy is wha????


Barkley struggled with accuracy this year throwing a career high in INTs.


Barkley has the ceiling of a high end game manager. You can win with that, even win a playoff game or two. But without an elite group around him, I tend to think thats about it.

It's like tom brady, he was a pretty accurate passer coming out of college and he was great at coming back cause he had that fierceness about him. You put hi with NE and they started to MOLD their team to his strengths and now he's talked about being GOAT. They have gone thru players left and right and he still does what he does. They've been doing it for years cause they implemented the system and made it work, they've made tweaks here and there but it's the same system he's always been successful at. Same with manning. If you took either QB and thru them into a completely new system they would go from GOAT to above average game managers.

Phillip RIvers is another example. He did great under Norv cause norv tailored to him. You take norv away and i think phillip rivers is a HORRIBLE QB. Bad footwork, horrible mechanics, and weak arm. Unless their new OC is a genius i forsee rivers failing this year just like he has been the last couple.

Barkley can be deadly accurate, he threw so many INT's and his completion % was down a little from having a subpar line, a bad defense, and mediocre running game. Barkley had to force alot of things and put the team on his back quite abit. Like i said he single handled kept them into the oregon and ucla game. His defense was just complete shit

[O.city]

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

It's like tom brady, he was a pretty accurate passer coming out of college and he was great at coming back cause he had that fierceness about him. You put hi with NE and they started to MOLD their team to his strengths and now he's talked about being GOAT. They have gone thru players left and right and he still does what he does. They've been doing it for years cause they implemented the system and made it work, they've made tweaks here and there but it's the same system he's always been successful at. Same with manning. If you took either QB and thru them into a completely new system they would go from GOAT to above average game managers.

Phillip RIvers is another example. He did great under Norv cause norv tailored to him. You take norv away and i think phillip rivers is a HORRIBLE QB. Bad footwork, horrible mechanics, and weak arm. Unless their new OC is a genius i forsee rivers failing this year just like he has been the last couple.

Barkley can be deadly accurate, he threw so many INT's and his completion % was down a little from having a subpar line, a bad defense, and mediocre running game. Barkley had to force alot of things and put the team on his back quite abit. Like i said he single handled kept them into the oregon and ucla game. His defense was just complete shit

Not to call you out here totally, but lets stop comparing these guys to the best QB's in the game.

Manning and Brady are likely 2 of the best 5 QB's to EVER play. EVER. Lets not start with that.


Barkley isn't deadly accurate. He is accurate, but he doesn't have elite accuracy. He could develop it, sure. But like it has been discussed, Barkley is pretty much topped out mechanically. Changing a little here or there isn't going to make much difference.

He just lacks the arm strength to drive the ball down the field.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

Not to call you out here totally, but lets stop comparing these guys to the best QB's in the game.

Manning and Brady are likely 2 of the best 5 QB's to EVER play. EVER. Lets not start with that.


Barkley isn't deadly accurate. He is accurate, but he doesn't have elite accuracy. He could develop it, sure. But like it has been discussed, Barkley is pretty much topped out mechanically. Changing a little here or there isn't going to make much difference.

He just lacks the arm strength to drive the ball down the field.

THIS.

[fairladyZ]

Originally Posted by O.city

Not to call you out here totally, but lets stop comparing these guys to the best QB's in the game.

Manning and Brady are likely 2 of the best 5 QB's to EVER play. EVER. Lets not start with that.


Barkley isn't deadly accurate. He is accurate, but he doesn't have elite accuracy. He could develop it, sure. But like it has been discussed, Barkley is pretty much topped out mechanically. Changing a little here or there isn't going to make much difference.

He just lacks the arm strength to drive the ball down the field.

I'm not comparing anyone to either, i'm just using them as the accuracy is a product of the system discussion. IMO barkley's ceiling could be that of peyton mannings, at his lowest ceiling he could be a schaub. Who will win you some games but all around is a HORRIBLE QB. But i think the others are right with a matt ryan type QB comparison. Which i would be GREAT with matt ryan

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

Not to call you out here totally, but lets stop comparing these guys to the best QB's in the game.

Manning and Brady are likely 2 of the best 5 QB's to EVER play. EVER. Lets not start with that.


Barkley isn't deadly accurate. He is accurate, but he doesn't have elite accuracy. He could develop it, sure. But like it has been discussed, Barkley is pretty much topped out mechanically. Changing a little here or there isn't going to make much difference.

He just lacks the arm strength to drive the ball down the field.

I don't think one "develops accuracy" I think that is a trait you are either born with, or not. Similar to an elite arm.

You can improve here and there, but there aren't many guys that went from completing 55% of their throws to completing over 65% ...

I bet Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers could knock a soda can off a guys head from 15 years out when they were 15 years old and there are guys in the NFLhat still can't.

[O.city]

I don't know if you follow Nick Jacobs on Twitter, but he just made an interesting point about Geno in the KSU game.


Basically said KSU baited Geno into throws, were sound defensively and that Geno was limited by the WVU o philosophy and took what KSU gave him.

[BossChief]

The system DID get figured out and Dana h did little to nothing to adapt to that. Maybe that was coaching or maybe it was talent outside of the two receivers...maybe it was Geno himself not being able to figure out what the defenses were trying to do to him.

That's where it's hard to make a real judgement with such limited info available to us.

No doubt everything got turned sideways by KSt and never turned back.

If Geno is able to answer those questions in the meeting rooms, he will go first overall, if he isn't able to...he could be waiting to be drafted for som time.

Should be interesting.

[Reaper16]

The conversation level in this thread is so far and away superior to the level of conversation when Blackbob was an active poster.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

The conversation level in this thread is so far and away superior to the level of conversation when Blackbob was an active poster.

Ya think?

Can't say I didn't tell everybody as much.

[O.city]

Yeah, I don't see the Matt Ryan comparison. I'd say for Barkley to be successful he'd have to be a little more Brees and have elite accuracy to make up for his lack of arm strength.

[fairladyZ]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, I don't see the Matt Ryan comparison. I'd say for Barkley to be successful he'd have to be a little more Brees and have elite accuracy to make up for his lack of arm strength.

but this is where we differ cause i think barkley's got a stronger arm then you do.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

but this is where we differ cause i think barkley's got a stronger arm then you do.

Lack of arm strength was the main reason he threw so many more INTS this year. He tried to fit it in smaller windows and just didn't have the spin to get it there.


My biggest problem with USC QB"s isn't because there is some "USC ASS STIGMA " liek others think, it's because they usually have the best talent available around them and are pretty much tapped out, from a growth standpoint when you get them.

[tooge]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, I don't see the Matt Ryan comparison. I'd say for Barkley to be successful he'd have to be a little more Brees and have elite accuracy to make up for his lack of arm strength.

Breeze is a good comparison. Look what he did in college. Threw the ball all over the place with great accuracy in what was described then as a gimmicky offense. That is probably a better Geno comparison but Geno has better physical traits.

[O.city]

He's not comparing them, but Barkley's ceiling is Peyton Manning, the best regular season QB of all time.


First off, IMO, thats comparing. Secondly, if you think a guys ceiling coming out of college is to be the greatest QB of all time, yeah, you might want to rethink that a little.