Talking Draft Prospects 2016 - Page 2

Direckshun · 12:55 PM

The Chiefs have some incredibly important free agent decisions to make in the upcoming offseason. A large part of that decision-making process is who they target in the draft and who could ostensibly replace an outgoing high-performer. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks plus an extra 5th.

As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed early rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the high ones. That being said, this will be limited by my attention span and schedule, so while I hope to have 200 prospects fully reviewed/previewed by Draft Day, I'll only get part of the way there.

The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until late April.

Spoiler!

kccrow · 01-19-2016, 11:15 AM

I tried to put together a gif video of some plays I felt show some great pro traits that Elliott has (speed, power, vision, balance, agility, etc)...

Direckshun · 01-20-2016, 12:14 AM

TE O.J. Howard, Alabama -- Howard should appeal to a lot of teams as a #2 tight end or even as a #1 for teams that are pathetically bereft at the position. Howard has NFL size, listed at 6'6", 242 lbs, but looks about 260 lbs. Alabama, as always, prefers to funnel their offense through an ultra-physical run game, so I can't really judge how good Howard's hands are since he almost never had to make contested receptions -- the Combine will be critical for him. There is probably more tape of him blocking, however, than any other TE in college football, and he's very strong in that area. He sometimes struggles to finish blocks and he's not someone you can leave alone on an island against a good passrusher. He is strong at the point of attack and can get serious push. In his routes, he has some wasted motion and a sluggish get off but shows good athleticism at least running the tree. The absolute best thing about him is that he's ready to play now as a blocker, and that's probably his future, unless he has a wealth of hidden talent receiving the ball that Alabama simply chose to never tap into.

Direckshun · 01-20-2016, 12:17 AM

What I wrote about Ronnie Stanley last year:

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OT Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame -- It's been two years, and we still don't have a great idea of what John Dorsey likes in his offensive tackles, but Eric Fisher's as clear a prototype as we have. In that vein, Stanley fits that prototype to a T, as an elite athlete with ridonkulously long arms and one of THE best kickslides I've seen in years. Stanley's seen a boom in his value recently due to strong performances against NFL-caliber passrushers, and for good reason. He's an ideal 6'6", 315 lbs, and moves like a tight end in space. His athleticism is about as good as Eric Fisher's, which is among the best I've ever seen in a tackle. His perfect kickslide negates any speed rush to the outside, and he mirrors extremely well. At the second level, Stanley's athleticism is elite -- he would be fantastic in schemes that regularly pull their tackles into space. Stanley's weakness is that he greatly struggles with power. Despite being 315 lbs, he looks slight and doesn't get much push in the run game -- though he does wall off his defender reliably well. Talented edge rushers consistently earned success against him by throwing their body into him, often pushing him into the lap of his QB. He'll need to pack on considerable weight and muscle, and lower his base more in pass protection, but if he can do that, he's got Pro Bowl upside.

Direckshun · 01-20-2016, 12:46 AM

OLB Darron Lee, Ohio State -- Lee is a perfect example why Combine numbers are not to be blindly adhered to when evaluating prospects. This guy is going to blow the doors off the Combine amongst the linebacker group. He has great speed that he gets from his long strides that'll give him a ton of potential in coverage as well as short-area quickness that could benefit him in the passrush or at the line of scrimmage. Lee is a specimen that will get drafted on Day Two solely for that reason. Matter of fact, the more coverage you ask your linebackers to do, and the less you ask them to do up against the offensive line, the more effective and valuable he's going to be. The problem is that he is a complete liability against the run. Lee's biggest issue is that he simply cannot get off blocks, not from offensive linemen, tight ends, or even some receivers. He gets his tackles in the run game by effort alone, but that's not going to get him far against NFL caliber blockers. His passrush, as a result, is useless, and at 6'2", 235 lbs, he's purely a 4-3 OLB, and of no use playing the middle in a 3-4. It might not be a terrible idea for a team to have him lose a little and play as a box safety? Lee's athleticism has him in first round consideration for some, but I like my linebackers to be at home in the mess of the line of scrimmage. I wouldn't touch him.

Direckshun · 01-20-2016, 02:14 AM

OT/G Vadal Alexander, LSU -- Let's get one thing out of the way: Alexander will be entering draft season as a tackle/guard prospect, and some folks will inevitably argue that he has "flexibility" to play multiple spots on the line. He doesn't. He played RT at LSU, but Alexander is a guard, and won't have a prayer holding up in space as NFL tackles do. He's simply not athletic enough, and it's arguable he's athletic enough to play guard, honestly. The one thing Alexander has going for him is his massive size; he's listed at 6'6", 320 lbs, but looks about 15-20 lbs heavier. Perhaps surprisingly, he loses to bullrushes on the edge despite that size, but I doubt that'll happen when he's at guard and he doesn't have to protect an edge. Alexander, man, I really don't like him as a prospect. LSU never sends him to the second level, so he's almost certainly useless in that regard, and his cutblocks are travesties. He has looked solid against inferior competition, but struggled mightily against his most significant competition (Mississippi State, Alabama), causing me to believe this guy could be in for a massive slide as the Draft draws closer and teams take a closer look at him. As of now, do not believe the "experts" who have him pegged as anything more than a third day prospect.

Direckshun · 01-20-2016, 03:56 AM

OT Laremy Tunsil, Mississippi -- Perhaps a more natural fit as a RT than as a LT, Tunsil could probably play both at a reliable level. Tunsil's best features are his long, powerful arms that lock the **** down on just about anyone who runs across his path. Tunsil isn't quite the smooth athlete that Ronnie Stanley is, but he's still quite nimble and impressive burst off the line of scrimmage in the run game. He does well at the second level, though again it looks like he's lumbering a bit when he pushes downfield. He's really good in passblocking, with an effective kickslide and great mirroring, keeping his base low. He's never beaten by bullrushes, though he can be beat to the outside. In the run game, he's effective but not quite explosive. He can get stymied and rarely plays through the whistle. I think Tunsil is a definite first round prospect but with limited upside. The way teams are super desperate for offensive line help right now, he's almost certainly going to be a Top Ten prospect.

Direckshun · 01-20-2016, 07:25 AM

QB Jared Goff, California -- Goff is unquestionably the lone blue chip prospect at the quarterback position in the 2016 NFL Draft. Every other prospect at this position has their strong points which are shrouded in concerns at best, and flat-out doubts at worst. Now, I'll straight admit I don't know much about Goff personally, but inside the chalk he has a series of extremely promising strengths: he has a strong arm that can dart the ball out to the sidelines, he has been very accurate passing the ball despite playing behind a tough offensive line, he hangs in there and plays tough and with a short memory, and best of all -- this is the best part -- he has outstanding footwork for the position. He moves around in the pocket about as well as your above average NFL veteran, it's beautiful to watch. He feels pressure, moves away from it, keeping his eyes downfield. Now, he's played in California's spread, which in addition to being exclusively shotgun, is also essentially a one-read offense, so he'll need to develop there. But there are at least a few times each game where Goff does go through progressions, and he's proven very efficient at it. Goff is the best prospect in this draft at QB, and I fully expect him to flourish in Cleveland under Hue Jackson and behind an OL that will actually protect him well.

RunKC · 01-20-2016, 09:50 AM

I am interested in thoughts on OU WR Sterling Shepard.

He's similar in size and speed to Albert Wilson, but he has elite feet to burn DB's. He can run routes with the best of them and has solid hands. He's incredibly dedicated and loves the game.

I think he'd be a very good slot receiver for us.

hitchief · 01-20-2016, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I am interested in thoughts on OU WR Sterling Shepard.

He's similar in size and speed to Albert Wilson, but he has elite feet to burn DB's. He can run routes with the best of them and has solid hands. He's incredibly dedicated and loves the game.

I think he'd be a very good slot receiver for us.

I like this kid a lot and agree he could replace Wilson on day 1 and provide that Edelman type of guy to constantly move the chains which is key for the WCO

ChiefAshhole1056 · 01-20-2016, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I am interested in thoughts on OU WR Sterling Shepard.

He's similar in size and speed to Albert Wilson, but he has elite feet to burn DB's. He can run routes with the best of them and has solid hands. He's incredibly dedicated and loves the game.

I think he'd be a very good slot receiver for us.

I'd draft him just so we can move Wilson to returner and the "DAT" role full time

Direckshun · 01-21-2016, 03:55 AM

OLB Myles Jack, UCLA -- I honestly don't know if I've ever had so much fun watching a 4-3 OLB since Lavonte David as I have watching Jack. Jack is the typical kind of really great athlete you expect from a first-round prospect at OLB, but what Jack brings to the table is a special kind of impact that's quantifiable on the stat sheet as it is unquantifiable in the locker room. Jack is a tornado of aggression and speed, jacking up blockers with a ferocity rarely seen at his position. I would argue to say he has the highest ceiling of any player in this draft, due to his ability to be a true three-down linebacker who has the ability to drop into coverage and the angry disposition to light up lead blockers against the run. His only downside is going to be a blessing for the right team that gambles on him as he drops: he suffered a terrible knee injury in 2015 and could sit out all the way to the NFL preseason. But man, he is an investment worth making. He also doesn't have a ton of experience trailing specific receivers because UCLA utilizes zone coverage, but there's no reason he can't excel there as well. And lest we think he's just another athletic OLB, keep this in mind: his athleticism is so ridiculous, in 2013 he won the Pac 12 Defensive and Offensive Rookie of the Year award (LB and RB). I absolutely love this player, and if there's any chance he drops to the bottom of the 1st, he'd be near or at the top of my list for the Chiefs selection.

Direckshun · 01-21-2016, 05:08 AM

DE Emmanuel Ogbah, Oklahoma State -- I fear that as the NFL evolves, defensive ends like Ogbah are going to end up undervalued and extinct. Ogbah comes from an era, not that far behind us, where 4-3 defensive lines liked a left defensive end that was particularly strong against the run. But in today's NFL, teams like to have two dynamic passrushing threats off the edge, with run defense a distant second. That could leave Ogbah, a very large (6'6", 275 lbs), exclusively 4-3 passrusher out in the cold. Ogbah's put up over 20 sacks the past two seasons using a never-fail formula of using a great explosion out of his three-point stance, where he uses his superior strength, stupid-long arms and phenomenal motor to get his stats. Teams don't run at him often, and rarely succeed when they do. Many tackles, however, frequently struggle to anchor against his bullrush. The problem with Ogbah is that he is not dynamic, like at all, around the edge, and his lack of real passrushing skill. Tackles in the NFL aren't going to get bullied by Ogbah (much like the NFL-caliber tackles at OU weren't), and unless the QB runs right at him, he's not going to be able to disengage for anything other than coverage sacks. I'd be intrigued at beefing him up even more and playing a 3-4 DE, but his frame is pretty much maxed out. But while his usage in today's NFL may be limited, you can't put a pricetag on his incredible motor. Nonetheless, he's probably due for a tumble in the draft.

Direckshun · 01-21-2016, 10:26 AM

WR Corey Coleman, Baylor -- The Baylor Bears, for years, have been an incredible offensive juggernaut that has produced a lot of high profile draft prospects. So let us go ahead and name all the Baylor Bears that have gone on to produce in the NFL... Right. Well part of the reason why there hasn't been much is because the Bears operate a goofy, wide open spread offense that doesn't translate to the NFL whatsoever. Coleman is another blue chip prospect, and he's great to watch: he's got a good size/speed comboe (5'11" and should push for a 4.3), super productive (96 touches for 1,300 yards and 20 TDs) with excellent ballskills (he's played RB sparingly for the Bears). He runs the deepest "go" routes with ease, attacks the ball and makes tough, contested catches. But Coleman is going to be a huge project in the NFL, as the Bears almost never asked him to run an actual route tree. It's nuts. Coleman runs either go routes, drag routes, or he just kind of stands around and waits for the ball. He gets a ton of receptions because college DBs can't keep up with him and his QB force-feeds him the ball. It's a complete mystery if he'll be able to get separation in the NFL, but at this point his role looks to be as a Pro Bowl caliber slot receiver who isn't asked to win on the outside until a coach can pound actual route-running into his repertoire. How patient you are on that score is how much you value Coleman. Personally, I like him as a high second rounder.

kccrow · 01-21-2016, 10:43 AM

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WR Corey Coleman, Baylor -- The Baylor Bears, for years, have been an incredible offensive juggernaut that has produced a lot of high profile draft prospects. So let us go ahead and name all the Baylor Bears that have gone on to produce in the NFL... Right. Well part of the reason why there hasn't been much is because the Bears operate a goofy, wide open spread offense that doesn't translate to the NFL whatsoever. Coleman is another blue chip prospect, and he's great to watch: he's got a good size/speed comboe (5'11" and should push for a 4.3), super productive (96 touches for 1,300 yards and 20 TDs) with excellent ballskills (he's played RB sparingly for the Bears). He runs the deepest "go" routes with ease, attacks the ball and makes tough, contested catches. But Coleman is going to be a huge project in the NFL, as the Bears almost never asked him to run an actual route tree. It's nuts. Coleman runs either go routes, drag routes, or he just kind of stands around and waits for the ball. He gets a ton of receptions because college DBs can't keep up with him and his QB force-feeds him the ball. It's a complete mystery if he'll be able to get separation in the NFL, but at this point his role looks to be as a Pro Bowl caliber slot receiver who isn't asked to win on the outside until a coach can pound actual route-running into his repertoire. How patient you are on that score is how much you value Coleman. Personally, I like him as a high second rounder.

Agree with this 100% and its a big reason why I like Fuller way more than Coleman.

Direckshun · 01-21-2016, 11:09 AM

CB Vernon Hargreaves III, Florida -- If you were to draw on a chalkboard the things you want in a cornerback who was a coach's son, you're going to end up with Hargreaves. He's got okay size (5'11", 199 lbs) and okay speed (looks like a 4.4 guy at best), but his play is so fundamentally sound it's ridiculous. You don't recognize a lot of the really great things Hargreaves does on the field because it is so preventative. In press man, he's excellent at slowing receivers down a step so they're out of rhythm with their QB. In zone, he reads routes and can anticipate them, forcing QBs to look elsewhere. When the ball is in the air, Hargreaves will frequently bail on his receiver and help where ever the ball is going with his sick recovery speed. His tackling is excellent so that a 5 yard out doesn't become a 14 yard catch-and-run. His play against the run is phenomenal, and easily the best of any CB that's come out in the draft in a few years. He can play on the inside, on the outside, on the island or in a deep zone. Hargreaves has safety flexibility, and understands the route tree very, very well. Hargreaves doesn't, however, have elite measureables, which isn't a bad thing (it's called "elite" for a reason) but it'll likely knock him out of Top 10 consideration. I see a whole lot of Jason Verrett in him, just a hard nosed CB that won't be considered a lockdown guy in the NFL but will definitely earn respect and possibly future berths to the Pro Bowl.

01-18-2016, 12:21 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	Talking Draft Prospects 2016 The Chiefs have some incredibly important free agent decisions to make in the upcoming offseason. A large part of that decision-making process is who they target in the draft and who could ostensibly replace an outgoing high-performer. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks plus an extra 5th. As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed early rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the high ones. That being said, this will be limited by my attention span and schedule, so while I hope to have 200 prospects fully reviewed/previewed by Draft Day, I'll only get part of the way there. The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until late April. Spoiler! QB Jared Goff, California RB Ezekiel Elliott, Ohio State FB WR Corey Coleman, Baylor Josh Doctson, TCU TE O.J. Howard, Alabama OT Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame Laremy Tunsil, Mississippi OG Vadal Alexander, LSU C NT DE/DT A'Shawn Robinson, Alabama Edgerushers Joey Bosa, Ohio State (4-3) Emmanuel Ogbah, Oklahoma State (4-3) 4-3 MLB/ 3-4 SILB 4-3 OLB/3-4 WILB Myles Jack, UCLA Leonard Floyd, Georgia Darron Lee, Ohio State CB Vernon Hargreaves III, Florida S Last edited by Direckshun; 01-21-2016 at 12:55 PM..
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01-19-2016, 11:15 AM	#16
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3057078	I tried to put together a gif video of some plays I felt show some great pro traits that Elliott has (speed, power, vision, balance, agility, etc)...
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01-20-2016, 12:14 AM	#17
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	TE O.J. Howard, Alabama -- Howard should appeal to a lot of teams as a #2 tight end or even as a #1 for teams that are pathetically bereft at the position. Howard has NFL size, listed at 6'6", 242 lbs, but looks about 260 lbs. Alabama, as always, prefers to funnel their offense through an ultra-physical run game, so I can't really judge how good Howard's hands are since he almost never had to make contested receptions -- the Combine will be critical for him. There is probably more tape of him blocking, however, than any other TE in college football, and he's very strong in that area. He sometimes struggles to finish blocks and he's not someone you can leave alone on an island against a good passrusher. He is strong at the point of attack and can get serious push. In his routes, he has some wasted motion and a sluggish get off but shows good athleticism at least running the tree. The absolute best thing about him is that he's ready to play now as a blocker, and that's probably his future, unless he has a wealth of hidden talent receiving the ball that Alabama simply chose to never tap into.
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01-20-2016, 12:46 AM	#19
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	OLB Darron Lee, Ohio State -- Lee is a perfect example why Combine numbers are not to be blindly adhered to when evaluating prospects. This guy is going to blow the doors off the Combine amongst the linebacker group. He has great speed that he gets from his long strides that'll give him a ton of potential in coverage as well as short-area quickness that could benefit him in the passrush or at the line of scrimmage. Lee is a specimen that will get drafted on Day Two solely for that reason. Matter of fact, the more coverage you ask your linebackers to do, and the less you ask them to do up against the offensive line, the more effective and valuable he's going to be. The problem is that he is a complete liability against the run. Lee's biggest issue is that he simply cannot get off blocks, not from offensive linemen, tight ends, or even some receivers. He gets his tackles in the run game by effort alone, but that's not going to get him far against NFL caliber blockers. His passrush, as a result, is useless, and at 6'2", 235 lbs, he's purely a 4-3 OLB, and of no use playing the middle in a 3-4. It might not be a terrible idea for a team to have him lose a little and play as a box safety? Lee's athleticism has him in first round consideration for some, but I like my linebackers to be at home in the mess of the line of scrimmage. I wouldn't touch him. Last edited by Direckshun; 01-20-2016 at 07:28 AM..
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01-20-2016, 02:14 AM	#20
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	OT/G Vadal Alexander, LSU -- Let's get one thing out of the way: Alexander will be entering draft season as a tackle/guard prospect, and some folks will inevitably argue that he has "flexibility" to play multiple spots on the line. He doesn't. He played RT at LSU, but Alexander is a guard, and won't have a prayer holding up in space as NFL tackles do. He's simply not athletic enough, and it's arguable he's athletic enough to play guard, honestly. The one thing Alexander has going for him is his massive size; he's listed at 6'6", 320 lbs, but looks about 15-20 lbs heavier. Perhaps surprisingly, he loses to bullrushes on the edge despite that size, but I doubt that'll happen when he's at guard and he doesn't have to protect an edge. Alexander, man, I really don't like him as a prospect. LSU never sends him to the second level, so he's almost certainly useless in that regard, and his cutblocks are travesties. He has looked solid against inferior competition, but struggled mightily against his most significant competition (Mississippi State, Alabama), causing me to believe this guy could be in for a massive slide as the Draft draws closer and teams take a closer look at him. As of now, do not believe the "experts" who have him pegged as anything more than a third day prospect.
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01-20-2016, 03:56 AM	#21
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	OT Laremy Tunsil, Mississippi -- Perhaps a more natural fit as a RT than as a LT, Tunsil could probably play both at a reliable level. Tunsil's best features are his long, powerful arms that lock the **** down on just about anyone who runs across his path. Tunsil isn't quite the smooth athlete that Ronnie Stanley is, but he's still quite nimble and impressive burst off the line of scrimmage in the run game. He does well at the second level, though again it looks like he's lumbering a bit when he pushes downfield. He's really good in passblocking, with an effective kickslide and great mirroring, keeping his base low. He's never beaten by bullrushes, though he can be beat to the outside. In the run game, he's effective but not quite explosive. He can get stymied and rarely plays through the whistle. I think Tunsil is a definite first round prospect but with limited upside. The way teams are super desperate for offensive line help right now, he's almost certainly going to be a Top Ten prospect. Last edited by Direckshun; 01-20-2016 at 07:28 AM..
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01-20-2016, 07:25 AM	#22
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	QB Jared Goff, California -- Goff is unquestionably the lone blue chip prospect at the quarterback position in the 2016 NFL Draft. Every other prospect at this position has their strong points which are shrouded in concerns at best, and flat-out doubts at worst. Now, I'll straight admit I don't know much about Goff personally, but inside the chalk he has a series of extremely promising strengths: he has a strong arm that can dart the ball out to the sidelines, he has been very accurate passing the ball despite playing behind a tough offensive line, he hangs in there and plays tough and with a short memory, and best of all -- this is the best part -- he has outstanding footwork for the position. He moves around in the pocket about as well as your above average NFL veteran, it's beautiful to watch. He feels pressure, moves away from it, keeping his eyes downfield. Now, he's played in California's spread, which in addition to being exclusively shotgun, is also essentially a one-read offense, so he'll need to develop there. But there are at least a few times each game where Goff does go through progressions, and he's proven very efficient at it. Goff is the best prospect in this draft at QB, and I fully expect him to flourish in Cleveland under Hue Jackson and behind an OL that will actually protect him well.
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01-20-2016, 09:50 AM	#23
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01-21-2016, 03:55 AM	#26
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	OLB Myles Jack, UCLA -- I honestly don't know if I've ever had so much fun watching a 4-3 OLB since Lavonte David as I have watching Jack. Jack is the typical kind of really great athlete you expect from a first-round prospect at OLB, but what Jack brings to the table is a special kind of impact that's quantifiable on the stat sheet as it is unquantifiable in the locker room. Jack is a tornado of aggression and speed, jacking up blockers with a ferocity rarely seen at his position. I would argue to say he has the highest ceiling of any player in this draft, due to his ability to be a true three-down linebacker who has the ability to drop into coverage and the angry disposition to light up lead blockers against the run. His only downside is going to be a blessing for the right team that gambles on him as he drops: he suffered a terrible knee injury in 2015 and could sit out all the way to the NFL preseason. But man, he is an investment worth making. He also doesn't have a ton of experience trailing specific receivers because UCLA utilizes zone coverage, but there's no reason he can't excel there as well. And lest we think he's just another athletic OLB, keep this in mind: his athleticism is so ridiculous, in 2013 he won the Pac 12 Defensive and Offensive Rookie of the Year award (LB and RB). I absolutely love this player, and if there's any chance he drops to the bottom of the 1st, he'd be near or at the top of my list for the Chiefs selection.
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01-21-2016, 05:08 AM	#27
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	DE Emmanuel Ogbah, Oklahoma State -- I fear that as the NFL evolves, defensive ends like Ogbah are going to end up undervalued and extinct. Ogbah comes from an era, not that far behind us, where 4-3 defensive lines liked a left defensive end that was particularly strong against the run. But in today's NFL, teams like to have two dynamic passrushing threats off the edge, with run defense a distant second. That could leave Ogbah, a very large (6'6", 275 lbs), exclusively 4-3 passrusher out in the cold. Ogbah's put up over 20 sacks the past two seasons using a never-fail formula of using a great explosion out of his three-point stance, where he uses his superior strength, stupid-long arms and phenomenal motor to get his stats. Teams don't run at him often, and rarely succeed when they do. Many tackles, however, frequently struggle to anchor against his bullrush. The problem with Ogbah is that he is not dynamic, like at all, around the edge, and his lack of real passrushing skill. Tackles in the NFL aren't going to get bullied by Ogbah (much like the NFL-caliber tackles at OU weren't), and unless the QB runs right at him, he's not going to be able to disengage for anything other than coverage sacks. I'd be intrigued at beefing him up even more and playing a 3-4 DE, but his frame is pretty much maxed out. But while his usage in today's NFL may be limited, you can't put a pricetag on his incredible motor. Nonetheless, he's probably due for a tumble in the draft.
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01-21-2016, 10:26 AM	#28
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	WR Corey Coleman, Baylor -- The Baylor Bears, for years, have been an incredible offensive juggernaut that has produced a lot of high profile draft prospects. So let us go ahead and name all the Baylor Bears that have gone on to produce in the NFL... Right. Well part of the reason why there hasn't been much is because the Bears operate a goofy, wide open spread offense that doesn't translate to the NFL whatsoever. Coleman is another blue chip prospect, and he's great to watch: he's got a good size/speed comboe (5'11" and should push for a 4.3), super productive (96 touches for 1,300 yards and 20 TDs) with excellent ballskills (he's played RB sparingly for the Bears). He runs the deepest "go" routes with ease, attacks the ball and makes tough, contested catches. But Coleman is going to be a huge project in the NFL, as the Bears almost never asked him to run an actual route tree. It's nuts. Coleman runs either go routes, drag routes, or he just kind of stands around and waits for the ball. He gets a ton of receptions because college DBs can't keep up with him and his QB force-feeds him the ball. It's a complete mystery if he'll be able to get separation in the NFL, but at this point his role looks to be as a Pro Bowl caliber slot receiver who isn't asked to win on the outside until a coach can pound actual route-running into his repertoire. How patient you are on that score is how much you value Coleman. Personally, I like him as a high second rounder.
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01-21-2016, 11:09 AM	#30
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4213447	CB Vernon Hargreaves III, Florida -- If you were to draw on a chalkboard the things you want in a cornerback who was a coach's son, you're going to end up with Hargreaves. He's got okay size (5'11", 199 lbs) and okay speed (looks like a 4.4 guy at best), but his play is so fundamentally sound it's ridiculous. You don't recognize a lot of the really great things Hargreaves does on the field because it is so preventative. In press man, he's excellent at slowing receivers down a step so they're out of rhythm with their QB. In zone, he reads routes and can anticipate them, forcing QBs to look elsewhere. When the ball is in the air, Hargreaves will frequently bail on his receiver and help where ever the ball is going with his sick recovery speed. His tackling is excellent so that a 5 yard out doesn't become a 14 yard catch-and-run. His play against the run is phenomenal, and easily the best of any CB that's come out in the draft in a few years. He can play on the inside, on the outside, on the island or in a deep zone. Hargreaves has safety flexibility, and understands the route tree very, very well. Hargreaves doesn't, however, have elite measureables, which isn't a bad thing (it's called "elite" for a reason) but it'll likely knock him out of Top 10 consideration. I see a whole lot of Jason Verrett in him, just a hard nosed CB that won't be considered a lockdown guy in the NFL but will definitely earn respect and possibly future berths to the Pro Bowl.
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