Andy Reid brings detail to Kansas City

[Hammock Parties]

Nice little article about Reid's "live" practices.


http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...to-kansas-city

ST. JOSEPH, Mo. – The Kansas City Chiefs are breaking training camp in the Andy Reid era for the first time.

The team had their last practice of camp Wednesday. After a planned walk-through on Thursday, they'll head back to Kansas City to prepare for the regular season.

I got a chance to chat with Pro Bowl linebackers Derrick Johnson and Tamba Hali before camp broke. The two stars are like virtually every other player on this roster – they rave about playing under Reid.

“I know spirits are high in 31 other places, but we feel great,” Johnson said. “It was a great camp. Great.”

Both veterans pointed out details of Reid’s camp that stood out to them. Johnson said he was amazed that Reid, who came to Kansas City after 14 years in Philadelphia, had the team practice “live” so extensively every day. Often, teams scrimmage near the goal line.

While practice was controlled, Reid wanted his players to simulate game action every day in many different situations. It worked. Several players thought the preseason opener at New Orleans on Friday was slower than usual because they were used to the pace.

“It just puts you in better position to make plays,” Johnson said. “It’s invaluable.”

Hali was impressed by Reid’s schedule. The team had the same routine every day: Practice started at 8:15 a.m., and then players would hit the classroom later in the day. Many NFL teams rotate the daily schedule.

“It gave you a chance to correct your mistakes easier,” Hali said. “It was great to go back and see what we did wrong and then the next day on the field, improve from it … It meant we made less mistakes throughout camp. It’s just the little things that coach Reid does that has made us a better team.”

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by O.city

To be quite honest, I think they ****ed that all up but that's just me. Either trade Albert or sign him and draft someone else.

Meh. They can still trade Albert. They can still lose him to free agency, wipe $11 million off the salary cap, and then move either Fisher or Stephenson into that LT spot.

I just don't think we're going to take a QB next year unless something crazy happens and they're staring at the guy they had #1 on the board a la Aaron Rodgers. And wouldn't that be wonderful.

But, seeing as how that's unlikely, I'm going to assume that the task next year is to find a legitimate #2 receiver. Or a #1 and make Bowe #2, which is frankly even better.

Our needs right now, outside of a franchise QB, are:

1. WR2 - **** you, Baldwin.
2. CB2 - frankly I'd love to see us draft over Flowers and move him over to the nickel against a three WR set. Just like with Bowe, the goal should be getting players who are BETTER than our best guys.
3. RDE that can get pressure.
4. FS
5. FB*











*just kidding

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

How can you be so sure?

History.

The entire time I've been a Chiefs fan they've NEVER once made a bold move for a QB.

Not even so much as trading up in the 2nd round.

Why I'll never understand.

Clark does though. We're fairly close in age. All those years he saw not only his team (from my perspective) but his dad (from his perspective) completely avoid that option. He was groomed to run this franchise.

I guess you could argue that he's not his father but he's had this team since Herm was here and he's never once traded up for or pulled the trigger on a QB...

[O.city]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Meh. They can still trade Albert. They can still lose him to free agency, wipe $11 million off the salary cap, and then move either Fisher or Stephenson into that LT spot.

I just don't think we're going to take a QB next year unless something crazy happens and they're staring at the guy they had #1 on the board a la Aaron Rodgers. And wouldn't that be wonderful.

But, seeing as how that's unlikely, I'm going to assume that the task next year is to find a legitimate #2 receiver. Or a #1 and make Bowe #2, which is frankly even better.

Our needs right now, outside of a franchise QB, are:

1. WR2 - **** you, Baldwin.
2. CB2 - frankly I'd love to see us draft over Flowers and move him over to the nickel against a three WR set. Just like with Bowe, the goal should be getting players who are BETTER than our best guys.
3. RDE that can get pressure.
4. FS
5. FB*











*just kidding

Even then, it's a terrible idea in regards to fisher stunting his development at lt, for the same contractual reasons Dane talks about.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Meh. They can still trade Albert. They can still lose him to free agency, wipe $11 million off the salary cap, and then move either Fisher or Stephenson into that LT spot.

I just don't think we're going to take a QB next year unless something crazy happens and they're staring at the guy they had #1 on the board a la Aaron Rodgers. And wouldn't that be wonderful.

But, seeing as how that's unlikely, I'm going to assume that the task next year is to find a legitimate #2 receiver. Or a #1 and make Bowe #2, which is frankly even better.

Our needs right now, outside of a franchise QB, are:

1. WR2 - **** you, Baldwin.
2. CB2 - frankly I'd love to see us draft over Flowers and move him over to the nickel against a three WR set. Just like with Bowe, the goal should be getting players who are BETTER than our best guys.
3. RDE that can get pressure.
4. FS
5. FB*











*just kidding

FWIW, during OTAs Flowers did align in the slot vs 3W personnel groupings. I have no idea if it translated to TC.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Rausch

History.

The entire time I've been a Chiefs fan they've NEVER once made a bold move for a QB.

Not even so much as trading up in the 2nd round.

Why I'll never understand.

Clark does though. We're fairly close in age. All those years he saw not only his team (from my perspective) but his dad (from his perspective) completely avoid that option. He was groomed to run this franchise.

I guess you could argue that he's not his father but he's had this team since Herm was here and he's never once traded up for or pulled the trigger on a QB...

this is my problem with this logic: It saddles an entirely new staff with the decisions of multiple past groups without any connection whatsoever and without consideration for any current cirumstances. It doesn't account for the fact that there was no true first round QB available in the draft this year, for example. You think they'd have passed on Luck if he was there? I don't.

Clark has run this team for 5 years. This past offseason, he said it was his priority to find a franchise QB. I don't think the sample size or the fact that this particular draft didn't have one are indicative that he will not seek one going forward. Just like I don't think Carl Peterson's preferences color John Dorsey and Andy Reid's preferences one tiny bit.

That they DO color ours as fans means that it is sometimes difficult to actually look at the situation without prejudice.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

this is my problem with this logic: It saddles an entirely new staff with the decisions of multiple past groups without any connection whatsoever and without consideration for any current cirumstances.

THE GUY THAT MAKES THE FINAL DECISION IS THE CONSTANT.

You don't seem to get it. Clark runs the team. Clark has final say.

Clark hired both of these men to run his team.

The failure in logic is you failing to recognize the one constant...

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Rausch

THE GUY THAT MAKES THE FINAL DECISION IS THE CONSTANT.

You don't seem to get it. Clark runs the team. Clark has final say.

Clark hired both of these men to run his team.

The failure in logic is you failing to recognize the one constant...

You have no ability to think rationally on this. You really don't.

Why do you think Clark is averse to drafting a QB? Whats his motivation?I would love to hear the reasoning behind this. If thats the only way to win a SB is Clark afraid to win a SB?

Do you really believe he told Reid and Dorsey they couldn't draft a QB they wanted at 1.1? Do you really believe that?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

this is my problem with this logic: It saddles an entirely new staff with the decisions of multiple past groups without any connection whatsoever and without consideration for any current cirumstances. It doesn't account for the fact that there was no true first round QB available in the draft this year, for example. You think they'd have passed on Luck if he was there? I don't.

Clark has run this team for 5 years. This past offseason, he said it was his priority to find a franchise QB. I don't think the sample size or the fact that this particular draft didn't have one are indicative that he will not seek one going forward. Just like I don't think Carl Peterson's preferences color John Dorsey and Andy Reid's preferences one tiny bit.

That they DO color ours as fans means that it is sometimes difficult to actually look at the situation without prejudice.

There is not enough rep on CP to give to this post to express my agreement.

I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Rausch

THE GUY THAT MAKES THE FINAL DECISION IS THE CONSTANT.

You don't seem to get it. Clark runs the team. Clark has final say.

Clark hired both of these men to run his team.

The failure in logic is you failing to recognize the one constant...

Clark took over in 2006. He ran the Chiefs as did his father: Hands off. Let Carl Peterson do everything.

In 2008, Carl left. Scott Pioli was viewed as the best possible candidate and was hired in 2009. He allowed Pioli to run the franchise, just as his father allowed Steadman and Schaaf and later, Carl Peterson.

Hands off.

Since then, he fired Pioli after giving him a reported extension. He fired the head coach. He's changed the structure of the Chiefs. No longer does one man control the direction of the franchise. Clark now has three men reporting to him in Reid, Dorsey and Donovan. The monarchy is dead.

Say what you will about Clark Hunt (and I've said plenty over the years), he is learning on the job and adapting. I don't think there was a better qualified head coaching candidate available. And John Dorsey is as fine a personnel man you can find in the NFL.

He's trying. He's still learning. But he's not sitting still and I hardly think that anyone can state that he'll refuse to draft a certain position.

[Chief Faithful]

Originally Posted by SNR

I don't remember any players saying that about RAC.

The nicest thing players said about RAC was he was like a father figure and they never wanted to let him down.

[keg in kc]

The idea that there were no first round quarterbacks in this draft (we'll just ignore Manual for the sake of argument...) has as much to do with who was drafting between 17 and the end of the round as it does anything else. Nobody in the latter half of the round was ever taking a QB in the first. There was a run on o-linemen, a run on d-linemen and then a run on DBs. That's just how these things go, teams panic when they see positions going off the board, and we get a lot of head scratching names called.

In the end, it had to have been one of the weirdest drafts in history with regards to the quarterback position and how everybody fell, as evidenced not the least by the fact that we ended up with Tyler Bray in free agency, a player who in any sane year would have gone no later than the 4th, and probably in the 2nd or 3rd. There's no earthly way he's a worse prospect than Brock Osweiler or Ryan Mallett or Ricky Stanzi or any of the slew of random quarterbacks who've gone in the 5th-7th in the last 10 years (Cassel ring a bell? the guy doesn't even play in college and gets drafted...), regardless of whatever maturity red flags there supposedly were. He has first round measurables and a first round arm, so what in the world - in this of all leagues - could possibly drop him out of the draft altogether. It was insane, and his performance in camp is showing just how insane it was, especially at a time when so many unheralded young QBs are prospering so quickly.

Whole league went full reerun after Luck and Griffin. I can't think of any other explanation, for the entire draft class to get buried. I've never seen anything like it, and probably never will again.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

The idea that there were no first round quarterbacks in this draft (we'll just ignore Manual for the sake of argument...) has as much to do with who was drafting between 17 and the end of the round as it does anything else. Nobody in the latter half of the round was ever taking a QB in the first. There was a run on o-linemen, a run on d-linemen and then a run on DBs. That's just how these things goes, teams panic when they see positions going off the board, and we get a lot of head scratching names called.

In the end, it had to have been one of the weirdest drafts in history with regards to the quarterback position and how everybody fell, as evidenced not the least by the fact that we ended up with Tyler Bray in free agency, a player who in any sane year would have gone no later than the 4th, and probably in the 2nd or 3rd. There's no earthly way he's a worse prospect than Brock Osweiler or Ryan Mallett or Ricky Stanzi or any of the slew of random quarterbacks who've gone in the 5th-7th in the last 10 years (Cassel ring a bell? the guy doesn't even play in college and gets drafted...), regardless of whatever maturity red flags there supposedly were. He has first round measurables and a first round arm, so what in the world - in this of all leagues - could possibly drop him out of the draft altogether. It was insane, and his performance in camp is showing just how insane it was, especially at a time when so many unheralded young QBs are prospering so quickly.

Whole league went full reerun after Luck and Griffin. I can't think of any other explanation, for the entire draft class to get buried. I've never seen anything like it, and probably never will again.

The only thing I could see as being close would of been the year that Pennington was drafted. he went off the board at 16 I think .


But yes, the draft class itself was weird. Before the college football season started, it was guaranteed that the top guy was Barkley, he didn't go till 4th round, then Geno Smith had that game where he threw more TOUCH DOWNS than incompletions, and he was going to be the guy, and then the wheels fell completely off. It definitely was a weird weird draft.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Whole league went full reerun after Luck and Griffin. I can't think of any other explanation, for the entire draft class to get buried. I've never seen anything like it, and probably never will again.

Part of the problem. The other half is look at the 4 teams with quarterback needs - Chiefs, Cardinals, Raiders, and Bills. Look at their history at drafting quarterbacks to begin with. Not exactly the teams that do it. Mainly they are teams that go for other teams backup's to begin with. Then take a super class the year before with teams that are gun shy about drafting a quarterback, which by the way right tackle, guard and a corner with a heart problem were the draft picks, almost the perfect storm.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Part of the problem. The other half is look at the 4 teams with quarterback needs - Chiefs, Cardinals, Raiders, and Bills. Look at their history at drafting quarterbacks to begin with. Not exactly the teams that do it. Mainly they are teams that go for other teams backup's to begin with. Then take a super class the year before with teams that are gun shy about drafting a quarterback, which by the way right tackle, guard and a corner with a heart problem were the draft picks, almost the perfect storm.

I was stunned that the bills took manuel. just stunned.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

So coaches can't develop or learn? Coaches have to figure out that the old statuesque QB is no longer what the NFL or colleges want.
Players with RGIIIs skill set and talents have been ignored because that wasn't seen as desirable.

Which QB's have been ignored that shouldn't have been ignored? Which other QB's have had the arm strength and accuracy of RGIII, Cam Newton and Kaepernick to go along with elite speed and elusiveness?