Beyond the Big Three?

JamSec128 · 03-16-2005, 08:10 AM

Did a quick check and did not see this posted, if it is a repost...sorry

Darren Carter - Scout.com
March 16, 2005 at 7:46am ET
The Chiefs entered this free agency period with a plan to acquire three free agents: a cover cornerback, an athletic linebacker and a playmaking safety. With the additions of Kendrell Bell and Sammy Knight, 2 out of the 3 boxes have been checked. The Chiefs are in the game with Ty Law and still have a trade with Miami for Patrick Surtain in play as a backup plan. We'll give Carl Peterson credit for the 3rd box.

As exciting as checking the the third box is for Chiefs fans, Kansas City cannot afford to stop there. There are several smaller boxes to be checked, too, if KC is to make a serious run to Detroit. There are positions that need to be filled and to be honest, players that need to be replaced. At this point in free agency, filling these boxes should be much less expensive, and the draft offers opportunity to fill them as well. Let's take a look at those smaller boxes and what free agents or draft picks could fill them.

Box 1: WR - Johnnie Morton 's tenure in KC will likely end June 1st. At a minimum, the Chiefs need a reliable, sure handed WR to replace him who can make critical catches and keep drives alive. Preferably, they'd find a playmaking WR that opens the field up for the rest of the weapons at Al Saunders disposal. Travis Taylor would have been an ideal fit for this offense, but was signed by Minnesota unfortunately. One free agent who is still available is UFA Kevin Johnson from Baltimore; he would fit nicely into the Chiefs offense. He has deceptive speed and is very sure handed. The Chiefs are expecting him for a visit on Wednesday. In the draft, Mark Clayton could be available when the Chiefs 15th overall pick, and could also become a playmaker in this offense. As the market seemingly dries up around him, Plaxico Burress could very well hit the Chiefs radar screen if he remains unsigned for another week or two.

Box 2: Nickel CB - Since we'll give Peterson credit for acquiring Law or Surtain, it's safe to assume that Dexter McCleon may join Morton on a one way flight out of KC June 1st. That being the case, Chiefs fans definitely don't want to see a jersey with a big 24 and the name Bartee sewn above it manning the secondary on passing downs. A nickel CB is a box that needs to be filled. The Chiefs have already met with Kelly Herndon , restricted free agent from the Denver Broncos, and he may be able to fill that box. Alternatively, Auburn CB Carlos Rogers could be an option if we choose to address the need through the draft.

Box 3: OLB - The signing of Bell greatly improved that Chiefs LB corp. However, they could still use a playmaker at OLB. Anthony Simmons , released from Seattle, would seem to fill the bill. He's battled some injuries recently, but remains athletic and fast. The Chiefs entertained Keith Adams who started for the Eagles at outside linebacker in the Super Bow. In the draft, Darryl Blackstock from Virginia or Kevin Burnett from Tennessee could be available in the 2nd round to check that box for the Chiefs. Much like Plaxico Burress, the Chiefs could still sign Ed Hartwell as the market around him dries up. Hartwell would be the MLB and Bell would be the playmaking OLB.

Box 4: DE - The Chiefs made the right move and released an underachieving Vonnie Holliday , whose roster spot remains to be filled. The Chiefs recently entertained Carlos Hall , UFA from the Tennessee Titans, who would be a very good backup DE with the potential to start if called upon. Chris Canty from Virginia would likely be available in the 2nd round and would be a nice addition to the Chiefs defensive line rotation.

Box 5: Punter - Nick Murphy was the last man standing as punter for the Chiefs last season. He was the 3rd guy to fill that role, and it is almost certain that he won't enter training camp with a lock on that spot. Nick Harris , UFA from Detroit, was among the league leaders in landing punts inside the 20 and could win a spot in KC. In the draft, Dustin Colquitt from Tennessee is the best prospect in this year's draft. He has a powerful leg, but the Chiefs may need to use a 4th round pick in order to get him.

There are others to be filled as the Chiefs look to the future as well: 3rd RB which could be filled if the Chiefs sign Kelly Holcombe, left OT, OG, a back-up or future QB, and yes, another WR. If the Chiefs are going to be contenders this year, though, these five boxes must be checked along with the big three.

milkman · 03-16-2005, 08:22 AM

I don't think it's a repost, but it is kind of redundant, since we've had the posters here saying the exact same things.

JamSec128 · 03-16-2005, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

I don't think it's a repost, but it is kind of redundant, since we've had the posters here saying the exact same things.

I realize that ppl have been saying pretty much the same thing, and know that it is not breaking news or anything. I thought it was a decent rundown of current events.

It has been a slow news week....

milkman · 03-16-2005, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JamSec128

I realize that ppl have been saying pretty much the same thing, and know that it is not breaking news or anything. I thought it was a decent rundown of current events.

It has been a slow news week....

I wasn't giving you shit for the post.
Just making an observation about the overall quaility of football knowledge here on the planet.

whoman69 · 03-16-2005, 09:20 AM

If its checks we're waiting for, I prefer those written by Lamar Hunt. Pederson is playing a dangerous game with the CB position by waiting. If he gets shut out, we should just pack it in.

JamSec128 · 03-16-2005, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

I wasn't giving you shit for the post.
Just making an observation about the overall quaility of football knowledge here on the planet.

I hear ya...It is all good....sorry to have taken it that way

**jAZ** · 03-16-2005, 08:38 AM

Nice (up-to-date) summary.

**DaKCMan AP** · 03-16-2005, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JamSec128

There are others to be filled as the Chiefs look to the future as well: 3rd RB which could be filled if the Chiefs sign Kelly Holcombe, left OT, OG, a back-up or future QB, and yes, another WR. If the Chiefs are going to be contenders this year, though, these five boxes must be checked along with the big three.

yeah, he'd make a good backup RB

maybe Robert, but not Kelly

ct · 03-16-2005, 09:17 AM

FA CB - Andre Dyson
FA LB - Hartwell, moving Bell outside
FA DE - Hall is fine by me
FA WR - KJ would be a small improvement over Morton, but an improvement nonetheless

Draft NB - Rogers
Draft DE/LB 2nd
Draft WR 3rd(if we get comp pick)/4th
2nd day prospects at OT, QB, DE, CB
Undrafted Punter

If we don't, and most likely won't, end up forking over the $ for Harwell, I want to pull the trigger on the Surtain trade, but I still want Rogers in the 1st.

Wile_E_Coyote · 03-16-2005, 09:32 AM

"The Chiefs recently entertained Carlos Hall , UFA from the Tennessee Titans..." I've read elsewhere the Titans can match or the Chiefs have to give them a 7th rounder. Not that big a deal..

Wile_E_Coyote · 03-16-2005, 10:27 AM

DE Hall visits Kansas City
By JIM WYATT
Staff Writer
www.tennessean.com

If the Titans want to keep defensive end Carlos Hall, they might have to reach for their wallet.

Hall, a restricted free agent, visited the Kansas City Chiefs yesterday. He met with Chiefs Coach Dick Vermeil and defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham, a former assistant with the Titans, and left town last night.

Hall's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, said there's a chance Hall could visit another team later this week if the Chiefs haven't made an offer by then.

Because Hall is a restricted free agent (three years experience), the Titans would have an opportunity to match any contract offer from another team. If the Titans choose not to match, they will be awarded a seventh-round draft pick as compensation.

Hall, a seventh-round pick in 2002, has been offered a one-year contract worth $656,323 by the Titans.

''We'll see where things go from here,'' Rosenhaus said last night. ''We have been talking to several other teams, but I really don't want to identify them. I can't give you any more details than that right now.''

Last season, his third in the NFL, Hall started 14 games and made 72 tackles and 2.5 sacks. He has has 13.5 career sacks, including 8.5 in his rookie season of 2002 while filling in for injured Jevon Kearse.

Hall was joined in Kansas City by fullback Robert Holcombe, one of six players release by the Titans last month. Holcombe is an unrestricted free agent.

**the Talking Can** · 03-16-2005, 10:30 AM

anybody know anything about Hall?

is he "up and coming" or just camp fodder or what?

ROYC75 · 03-16-2005, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

anybody know anything about Hall?

is he "up and coming" or just camp fodder or what?

I do know his rookie year when Jevon Kearse was hurt he filled in nicely for him and picked up 8 sacks, so that goes to show that he can rush the passer.

03-16-2005, 08:10 AM	Topic Starter
JamSec128 Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kansas City, Mo Casino cash: $10004900	Beyond the Big Three? Did a quick check and did not see this posted, if it is a repost...sorry Darren Carter - Scout.com March 16, 2005 at 7:46am ET The Chiefs entered this free agency period with a plan to acquire three free agents: a cover cornerback, an athletic linebacker and a playmaking safety. With the additions of Kendrell Bell and Sammy Knight, 2 out of the 3 boxes have been checked. The Chiefs are in the game with Ty Law and still have a trade with Miami for Patrick Surtain in play as a backup plan. We'll give Carl Peterson credit for the 3rd box. As exciting as checking the the third box is for Chiefs fans, Kansas City cannot afford to stop there. There are several smaller boxes to be checked, too, if KC is to make a serious run to Detroit. There are positions that need to be filled and to be honest, players that need to be replaced. At this point in free agency, filling these boxes should be much less expensive, and the draft offers opportunity to fill them as well. Let's take a look at those smaller boxes and what free agents or draft picks could fill them. Box 1: WR - Johnnie Morton 's tenure in KC will likely end June 1st. At a minimum, the Chiefs need a reliable, sure handed WR to replace him who can make critical catches and keep drives alive. Preferably, they'd find a playmaking WR that opens the field up for the rest of the weapons at Al Saunders disposal. Travis Taylor would have been an ideal fit for this offense, but was signed by Minnesota unfortunately. One free agent who is still available is UFA Kevin Johnson from Baltimore; he would fit nicely into the Chiefs offense. He has deceptive speed and is very sure handed. The Chiefs are expecting him for a visit on Wednesday. In the draft, Mark Clayton could be available when the Chiefs 15th overall pick, and could also become a playmaker in this offense. As the market seemingly dries up around him, Plaxico Burress could very well hit the Chiefs radar screen if he remains unsigned for another week or two. Box 2: Nickel CB - Since we'll give Peterson credit for acquiring Law or Surtain, it's safe to assume that Dexter McCleon may join Morton on a one way flight out of KC June 1st. That being the case, Chiefs fans definitely don't want to see a jersey with a big 24 and the name Bartee sewn above it manning the secondary on passing downs. A nickel CB is a box that needs to be filled. The Chiefs have already met with Kelly Herndon , restricted free agent from the Denver Broncos, and he may be able to fill that box. Alternatively, Auburn CB Carlos Rogers could be an option if we choose to address the need through the draft. Box 3: OLB - The signing of Bell greatly improved that Chiefs LB corp. However, they could still use a playmaker at OLB. Anthony Simmons , released from Seattle, would seem to fill the bill. He's battled some injuries recently, but remains athletic and fast. The Chiefs entertained Keith Adams who started for the Eagles at outside linebacker in the Super Bow. In the draft, Darryl Blackstock from Virginia or Kevin Burnett from Tennessee could be available in the 2nd round to check that box for the Chiefs. Much like Plaxico Burress, the Chiefs could still sign Ed Hartwell as the market around him dries up. Hartwell would be the MLB and Bell would be the playmaking OLB. Box 4: DE - The Chiefs made the right move and released an underachieving Vonnie Holliday , whose roster spot remains to be filled. The Chiefs recently entertained Carlos Hall , UFA from the Tennessee Titans, who would be a very good backup DE with the potential to start if called upon. Chris Canty from Virginia would likely be available in the 2nd round and would be a nice addition to the Chiefs defensive line rotation. Box 5: Punter - Nick Murphy was the last man standing as punter for the Chiefs last season. He was the 3rd guy to fill that role, and it is almost certain that he won't enter training camp with a lock on that spot. Nick Harris , UFA from Detroit, was among the league leaders in landing punts inside the 20 and could win a spot in KC. In the draft, Dustin Colquitt from Tennessee is the best prospect in this year's draft. He has a powerful leg, but the Chiefs may need to use a 4th round pick in order to get him. There are others to be filled as the Chiefs look to the future as well: 3rd RB which could be filled if the Chiefs sign Kelly Holcombe, left OT, OG, a back-up or future QB, and yes, another WR. If the Chiefs are going to be contenders this year, though, these five boxes must be checked along with the big three.
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03-16-2005, 08:22 AM	#2
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03-16-2005, 08:38 AM	#7
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ct u b illian Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: DooDah Casino cash: $10009436	FA CB - Andre Dyson FA LB - Hartwell, moving Bell outside FA DE - Hall is fine by me FA WR - KJ would be a small improvement over Morton, but an improvement nonetheless Draft NB - Rogers Draft DE/LB 2nd Draft WR 3rd(if we get comp pick)/4th 2nd day prospects at OT, QB, DE, CB Undrafted Punter If we don't, and most likely won't, end up forking over the $ for Harwell, I want to pull the trigger on the Surtain trade, but I still want Rogers in the 1st. Last edited by ct; 03-16-2005 at 09:23 AM..
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Wile_E_Coyote avatar down for remodel Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	"The Chiefs recently entertained Carlos Hall , UFA from the Tennessee Titans..." I've read elsewhere the Titans can match or the Chiefs have to give them a 7th rounder. Not that big a deal..
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03-16-2005, 10:27 AM	#11
Wile_E_Coyote avatar down for remodel Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	DE Hall visits Kansas City By JIM WYATT Staff Writer www.tennessean.com If the Titans want to keep defensive end Carlos Hall, they might have to reach for their wallet. Hall, a restricted free agent, visited the Kansas City Chiefs yesterday. He met with Chiefs Coach Dick Vermeil and defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham, a former assistant with the Titans, and left town last night. Hall's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, said there's a chance Hall could visit another team later this week if the Chiefs haven't made an offer by then. Because Hall is a restricted free agent (three years experience), the Titans would have an opportunity to match any contract offer from another team. If the Titans choose not to match, they will be awarded a seventh-round draft pick as compensation. Hall, a seventh-round pick in 2002, has been offered a one-year contract worth $656,323 by the Titans. ''We'll see where things go from here,'' Rosenhaus said last night. ''We have been talking to several other teams, but I really don't want to identify them. I can't give you any more details than that right now.'' Last season, his third in the NFL, Hall started 14 games and made 72 tackles and 2.5 sacks. He has has 13.5 career sacks, including 8.5 in his rookie season of 2002 while filling in for injured Jevon Kearse. Hall was joined in Kansas City by fullback Robert Holcombe, one of six players release by the Titans last month. Holcombe is an unrestricted free agent. Last edited by Wile_E_Coyote; 03-16-2005 at 10:35 AM..
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