Interested in Az-Hakim

[tyton75]

Chiefs | Hakim Could be an Option - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:34:30 -0700

ESPN.com's John Clayton reports free agent WR Az-Zahir Hakim (Lions) may be an option for the Kansas City Chiefs.


guess this just goes back to, would you rather have Az or Morton..

I'd rather have Az I think

[jcroft]

Originally Posted by Brock

Well, if you'd say that many of our offensive starters are only under contract for one more year, you'd be wrong. The coach is a non-factor as far as I'm concerned. I am no longer convinced Vermeil knows which end is up.

I agree with you about Vermeil, but the fact still remains that when he leaves, a new regime is likely to cause disruption in our timeframe, not speed it up. It doesn't seem that often that a new coach steps in and the team is better right away (Gruden and Mora are exceptions, I think). Usually there is at least a year or two of revamping and relearning things for both players and coach. Now, if the new coach was Saunders and most of the staff was the same otherwise, it might not be that big of a change...

[jspchief]

I've been poking around a Lions board to get some opinions. Here's what they had to say:

Hakim has had a lot of injury problems and a lot of drop passes. With Trent Green it could be a different story. I personally think J Morton is better than Hakim.

hakim can play really well in the slot if your number 1 reciever is double covered and he is given single coverage with a 3rd cb, saftey, or lb. He is very fast but doesn't have great hands. He is though a good dependable third wr but don't expect him to be a good 1 or 2

Welcome Chiefs fan. I thought Az was over paid. Then he was injuried and wasnt the same (route and speed wise) and he constantly had problems with drops. Also he had to play in other positions then the slot due to injuries to other receivers and that didint go over to well. He might make a decent pick-up for the KC offense but I wouldnt count on him for more then "spot" duty here and there.

Hakim would still be a very good option in the right situation. I think your team would be pretty pleased with him (Disclaimer: This guy also loves Charlie Batch)

HAKIM CANT CATCH A PASS ANYMORE (Disclaimer: from my limited time on the board, I've determined that this guy may be the resident idiot)

Hey Chiefs fans I would advise you to hope that Vermeil. passes on Hakim. His best days are behind him. Good luck with Derrick Johnson, the Lions made the right decision, no way they could have passed on Mike Williams.

alot of people have been dumpin on Millen for that move and I said all along that his production was going through the floor..as far as Az goes I think you can get him for vet minimum and if used in the slot can still be effective

The general consensus seems to be that he's no better than a slot receiver, and he has bad hands.

[jcroft]

Originally Posted by jspchief

The general consensus seems to be that he's no better than a slot receiver, and he has bad hands.

That's my impression of him, too. Let me be clear about a few things.

1. I'd rather keep Johnnie Morton, unless we are signing someone clearly much better than him.

2. If Morton gets cut, I'd rather sign someone who is better than Hakim and more of a #1 or #2 type receiver than a slot guy, if there is such a guy available.

3. If Morton is gone, I believe he MUST be replaced by another veteran.

4. If Hakim is the only veteran out there to replace Morton with, then he's better than not replacing him at all, in my opinion.

I'm not here to say that Hakim is a great receiver. I'm just here to say that if we are going to cut Morton (which I am not necessarily in favor of), then he must be replaced. I'd prefer him be replaced by someone better than Hakim -- but who?

[TRR]

Originally Posted by jcroft

That's my impression of him, too. Let me be clear about a few things.

1. I'd rather keep Johnnie Morton, unless we are signing someone clearly much better than him.

2. If Morton gets cut, I'd rather sign someone who is better than Hakim and more of a #1 or #2 type receiver than a slot guy, if there is such a guy available.

3. If Morton is gone, I believe he MUST be replaced by another veteran.

4. If Hakim is the only veteran out there to replace Morton with, then he's better than not replacing him at all, in my opinion.

I'm not here to say that Hakim is a great receiver. I'm just here to say that if we are going to cut Morton (which I am not necessarily in favor of), then he must be replaced. I'd prefer him be replaced by someone better than Hakim -- but who?

Johnnie Morton is a locker room cancer. I can't understand why people don't know this by now. He completely quit on the team in training camp last season because Vermeil stated that Boe and Morton would compete for the starting spot. Morton faked an injury, and only came back when Boe was deemed gone for the season. He just magically got better over night.

At the end of the season Morton completely quit on the team. If his name were Randy Moss, his play would have been scrutinized on every Sportscenter episode for a month. What does Morton do to rectify the situation this preseason? Skips the first set of workouts for no reason at all.

Morton is a complete c*ck to fans as well. Just a complete jerk. I would take 10 Az Hakim's over Morton any day. I don't care who replaces him, be it Parker, Boe, whoever....His time is up. Az Hakim could put up the same type of numbers Morton did here as a #2.

[Chief Faithful]

Originally Posted by jcroft

As much as I like the ballsy play of Chris Horn and his continued improvement every year, I'd say that if Chris Horn makes this roster, it means that our WRs really, really suck. In the "depth chat in my head," I can't see Horn any higher than 8th.

Kennison
Morton/Hakim/other vet
Parker
Boerigter
Hall
Thorpe
Smith
Horn

You said it, Chris Horn has an approach and attitude that I wish all the WR's possesed, but bottom line is if Horn makes the roster it means the Chiefs are not getting better at WR.

If Smith and McIntyre are not better than Horn then they should be cut. Morton should be cut. Hakim should not be contracted. Thorpe should take the last spot. If they carry 6 receivers then it should go either to a June 1 pickup or either Smith or McIntyre. My understanding is McIntyre is playing very well in NFLE.

My list is:
Kennison
Parker
Boerigter
Hall
Thorpe
McIntyre, Smith, or June 1 pickup

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by TRR

Johnnie Morton is a locker room cancer. I can't understand why people don't know this by now. He completely quit on the team in training camp last season because Vermeil stated that Boe and Morton would compete for the starting spot. Morton faked an injury, and only came back when Boe was deemed gone for the season. He just magically got better over night.

At the end of the season Morton completely quit on the team. If his name were Randy Moss, his play would have been scrutinized on every Sportscenter episode for a month. What does Morton do to rectify the situation this preseason? Skips the first set of workouts for no reason at all.

Morton is a complete c*ck to fans as well. Just a complete jerk. I would take 10 Az Hakim's over Morton any day. I don't care who replaces him, be it Parker, Boe, whoever....His time is up. Az Hakim could put up the same type of numbers Morton did here as a #2.

well said.

[tomahawk kid]

I hope this is true, but it sure smells like speculation to me.

[Mastashake]

I hate to sound skeptical, but why is it everyone thinks all these Chiefs recievers are all superstars unable to perform due to injury or age? I have a feeling a lot of these people who think Boerighter, Parker or Thorpe are going to be a pro-bowler are gonna be dissapointed. Not that I don't want them to, but I just don't get what makes them so different from the 3rd and 4th stringers from other teams.

I'm sorry I'm so negative, I just don't see the difference in what we got and Sylvester Morris and Snoop Minnis.

Mastashake

[CosmicPal]

Don't want him. He's not better than a third wide-out which was proven when he went to the Lions to be a starter.

[jcroft]

Originally Posted by CosmicPal

Don't want him. He's not better than a third wide-out which was proven when he went to the Lions to be a starter.

I think we all agree on this.

The question is, is he better than what we have? Assuming Morton is cut, I'd say he's proven more than every WR on our roster except Kennison.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Mastashake

I hate to sound skeptical, but why is it everyone thinks all these Chiefs recievers are all superstars unable to perform due to injury or age? I have a feeling a lot of these people who think Boerighter, Parker or Thorpe are going to be a pro-bowler are gonna be dissapointed. Not that I don't want them to, but I just don't get what makes them so different from the 3rd and 4th stringers from other teams.

I'm sorry I'm so negative, I just don't see the difference in what we got and Sylvester Morris and Snoop Minnis.

Mastashake

I don't see anyone saying those guys are gonna be pro bowlers. All those guys have to do is replace Johnny Mortons production of about 700 yards and and handfull of TDs if we indeed cut him. If he takes a pay cut and wants to come to camp then I don't see why we'd cut him but he hasn't played near close to pro bowl level since he's been a Chief. Hakim ain't no pro bowl WR either. IMO Parker has a ton of upside and it's time to get him on the field. So does Thorpe but he's probably gonna have to learn from the bench as the season unfolds. Az Hakim will do nothing but stunt the growth of our young WRs. Kinda like what happened with Geg Hill and Marcus Allen. Yeah Allen was good but because of him Hill never really got a shot and it took how many years to fix that?

PhilFree

[jcroft]

Originally Posted by philfree

I don't see anyone saying those guys are gonna be pro bowlers. All those guys have to do is replace Johnny Mortons production of about 700 yards and and handfull of TDs if we indeed cut him.

But what makes you think any of them can even do that? I hope they can, but none of them have ever proven they can do this consistently. In fact, I don't think any of them have ever had a 700 yard season (Boe might have, especially considering he had a 99 yard TD catch. But he certainly hasn't done it consistently).

Originally Posted by philfree

If he takes a pay cut and wants to come to camp then I don't see why we'd cut him but he hasn't played near close to pro bowl level since he's been a Chief. Hakim ain't no pro bowl WR either.

I agree with all of this.

Originally Posted by philfree

IMO Parker has a ton of upside and it's time to get him on the field. So does Thorpe but he's probably gonna have to learn from the bench as the season unfolds.

I agree here, too. But how does bringing Az in prevent Parker from having a chance at getting on the field? Either way, he's going to have to earn his spot. If you think Az sucks so much and Parker is so great, then you must not be that worried Az will beat him out for the starting spot, right?

Originally Posted by philfree

SAddinh Hakim will do nothing but stunt the growth of our young WRs.

Who?

How will he stunt their growth? He'll give them competition in camp. That can only help them, not hurt them. I want Parker to be the starter, but I want him to earn it, not have it handed to him.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by jcroft

But what makes you think any of them can even do that? I hope they can, but none of them have ever proven they can do this consistently. In fact, I don't think any of them have ever had a 700 yard season (Boe might have, especially considering he had a 99 yard TD catch. But he certainly hasn't done it consistently).



I agree with all of this.



I agree here, too. But how does bringing Az in prevent Parker from having a chance at getting on the field? Either way, he's going to have to earn his spot. If you think Az sucks so much and Parker is so great, then you must not be that worried Az will beat him out for the starting spot, right?



Who?

How will he stunt their growth? He'll give them competition in camp. That can only help them, not hurt them. I want Parker to be the starter, but I want him to earn it, not have it handed to him.

First off there are no guarantees that Morton can reproduce his number from last year which was his best year by far as a Chief. There's no guarantee that Parker can produce as much but from what I've seen of him he has the ability to do so and he fits our O to a "T". Besides last year I watched him in a few college games one of which was his 160 yard performance where he was nothing short of incredible. That game coupled with his very limited playing time last year where he did make plays when given the chance makes me think he can and will play at least up to Morton's level last year. There are no guarantees but if we sit on our thumbs and don't find out we'll be watching Parker the same way we watch Joe Horn. On another team scoring TDs.

Second if we bring in Az it will simply take away from Parker and Thorpes reps and it may also say that our coaches don't have much confidence in Parker and IMO that's not a good thing right now. He paid his dues last year he needs a real shot this year. It's not like he ain't gonna give it his all because he thinks he has job security. He's yet to crack the lineup so my guess is he's gonna work his tail off regardless.

PhilFree

[Iowanian]

Hakim is a slot WR with about 85% of the kick return talent of Dante Hall.

Thanks...but no thanks.

I'd prefer a WR.

[Bowser]

Hell no. We already have Az Hakim, and his name is Samie Parker. Parker has the potential to be every bit as good as Hakim, he justs needs to have the chance to prove it.