The QB Reid chooses to lead the Chiefs

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I just hope that the Chiefs and Reid don't take a QB #1 because they need a starting QB. I hope that they take a QB at #1 because he fits the system, is the right guy, etc.

We're a ways off from the Combine, so we'll know more after it's completed, but I just don't want them to reach.

Any player in this draft could easily be described as a reach at 1/1, so we need to take the QB.

The QB whom we select here will be more talented than any QB whom we could get via trade or FA, so I see it as a no-brainer.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Any player in this draft could easily be described as a reach at 1/1, so we need to take the QB.

I was unable to follow college football this past Fall to the extent I have in the past, so I'm am currently unable to argue effectively against this point.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The QB whom we select here will be more talented than any QB whom we could get via trade or FA, so I see it as a no-brainer.

Really? I know a bunch of CPer's love Geno, but when I watched him on a few occasions, I saw nothing that said "Franchise QB Savior". Same with Bray. I only watched a few quarters of Wilson and saw nothing of Glennon.

The bottom line for me is that I'd hate to see the Chiefs take a QB because they NEED a QB, then end up with Jake Locker or Blaine Gabbert.

That, to me, would suck and further set back the franchise.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I was unable to follow college football this past Fall to the extent I have in the past, so I'm am currently unable to argue effectively against this point.



Really? I know a bunch of CPer's love Geno, but when I watched him on a few occasions, I saw nothing that said "Franchise QB Savior". Same with Bray. I only watched a few quarters of Wilson and saw nothing of Glennon.

The bottom line for me is that I'd hate to see the Chiefs take a QB because they NEED a QB, then end up with Jake Locker or Blaine Gabbert.

That, to me, would suck and further set back the franchise.

Meh, or they could also end up with Rodgers or Rothlisberger.

Set the franchise back from what? End up with ANOTHER 1st overall pick?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

Meh, or they could also end up with Rodgers or Rothlisberger.

Set the franchise back from what? End up with ANOTHER 1st overall pick?

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

I pegged Rothlisberger as the best QB in the 2004 draft before he taken by Pittsburgh. One of my best friends in Los Angeles has been a lifelong Pittsburgh fan was ecstatic when I told him that in 2004.

Aaron Rodgers slipped because no one believed in Tedford QB's ability to translate in the NFL. He also sat for THREE YEARS, learning from Favre and Mike McCarthy.

Is that what you're suggesting? The Chiefs take a guy at #1, only to sit him for three years?

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Really? I know a bunch of CPer's love Geno, but when I watched him on a few occasions, I saw nothing that said "Franchise QB Savior". Same with Bray. I only watched a few quarters of Wilson and saw nothing of Glennon.

The bottom line for me is that I'd hate to see the Chiefs take a QB because they NEED a QB, then end up with Jake Locker or Blaine Gabbert.

That, to me, would suck and further set back the franchise.

If not the draft then who and how? Alex Smith, whom the Chiefs will have to trade for? No franchise is winning a SB with him. Flynn? That would be an incredibly stupid move. Cousins? Of course not.

There is nothing but mediocrity available via trade or FA, so we have to take the chance on someone with legit upside, and who is every bit the equal of the FA/trade lot.

New CBA makes it easy to turn and burn if a more appealing option appears, even if that's next off-season.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If not the draft then who and how? Alex Smith, whom the Chiefs will have to trade for? No franchise is winning a SB with him. Flynn? That would be an incredibly stupid move? Cousins? Of course not.

There is nothing but mediocrity available via trade or FA, so we have to take the chance on someone with legit upside, and who is every bit the equal of the FA/trade lot.

New CBA makes it easy to turn and burn if a more appealing option appears, even if that's next off-season.

Again, I think it's too early to speculate when and where and how these guys will test out at The Combines. It wouldn't surprise me, at all, if there was no clear cut number one guy and if that's the case, I could see the Chiefs trading down for picks and possibly moving back up into the bottom half of the first round for "Their" guy.

FTR, I'm not stating that's what I want to happen, nor do I expect it to happen. But with a QB class that at this time has no clear cut "Savior", it's definitely possible, IMO.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Again, I think it's too early to speculate when and where and how these guys will test out at The Combines. It wouldn't surprise me, at all, if there was no clear cut number one guy and if that's the case, I could see the Chiefs trading down for picks and possibly moving back up into the bottom half of the first round for "Their" guy.

FTR, I'm not stating that's what I want to happen, nor do I expect it to happen. But with a QB class that at this time has no clear cut "Savior", it's definitely possible, IMO.

I don't disagree with anything that you've said, but I firmly believe that the Chiefs must find their starting QB for '13 early in this draft, or it's automatically a lost year.

There is a damn good QB in this draft; there is in pretty much every draft. And the Chiefs must find him.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I don't disagree with anything that you've said, but I firmly believe that the Chiefs must find their starting QB for '13 early in this draft, or it's automatically a lost year.

I'm sure you know what sucks? It's that the Chiefs just had to get the number one overall pick in a year in which an Andrew Luck or RGIII or even Cam Newton and Matt Ryan aren't available.

That is insanely frustrating to me.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

There is a damn good QB in this draft; there is in pretty much every draft. And the Chiefs must find him.

I hope you're right. I just hope that QB wouldn't be equivalent to a 3rd rounder (i.e. Foles) or a 4th rounder (Cousins) in previous years.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm sure you know what sucks? It's that the Chiefs just had to get the number one overall pick in a year in which an Andrew Luck or RGIII or even Cam Newton and Matt Ryan aren't available.

That is insanely frustrating to me.



I hope you're right. I just hope that QB wouldn't be equivalent to a 3rd rounder (i.e. Foles) or a 4th rounder (Cousins) in previous years.

Meh, there are a couple guys in this class that are every bit the prospect Ryan and Cam were.

Smith, Wilson, and Barkley are all good prospects.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm sure you know what sucks? It's that the Chiefs just had to get the number one overall pick in a year in which an Andrew Luck or RGIII or even Cam Newton and Matt Ryan aren't available.

That is insanely frustrating to me.



I hope you're right. I just hope that QB wouldn't be equivalent to a 3rd rounder (i.e. Foles) or a 4th rounder (Cousins) in previous years.

There has been a good NFL QB in every draft every year for 15 years with few exceptions. We just have to find that QB.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Again, I think it's too early to speculate when and where and how these guys will test out at The Combines. It wouldn't surprise me, at all, if there was no clear cut number one guy and if that's the case, I could see the Chiefs trading down for picks and possibly moving back up into the bottom half of the first round for "Their" guy.

FTR, I'm not stating that's what I want to happen, nor do I expect it to happen. But with a QB class that at this time has no clear cut "Savior", it's definitely possible, IMO.

That's insane. The combine and pro days will help sort out the QBs, but they're not going to affirm them.

This draft isn't the 2000 draft when the only QB taken was Chad Pennington late in the 1st. It's not as good as 2012, either. And I don't think it's as good as 2004, either.

It IS, however, better than 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, and 2005, though.

That's pretty ****ing positive. These QBs are going to ****ing fly off the board. Expect at least 4 gone in the first round, with at least two in the top 10.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

That's insane. The combine and pro days will help sort out the QBs, but they're not going to affirm them.

This draft isn't the 2000 draft when the only QB taken was Chad Pennington late in the 1st. It's not as good as 2012, either. And I don't think it's as good as 2004, either.

It IS, however, better than 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, and 2005, though.

That's pretty ****ing positive. These QBs are going to ****ing fly off the board. Expect at least 4 gone in the first round, with at least two in the top 10.

You may be right that they'll fly off the board.

You may be wrong in terms of their quality.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by SNR

That's insane. The combine and pro days will help sort out the QBs, but they're not going to affirm them.

This draft isn't the 2000 draft when the only QB taken was Chad Pennington late in the 1st. It's not as good as 2012, either. And I don't think it's as good as 2004, either.

It IS, however, better than 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, and 2005, though.

That's pretty ****ing positive. These QBs are going to ****ing fly off the board. Expect at least 4 gone in the first round, with at least two in the top 10.

I think you'll see two in the top 5. You could see 5-6 QB's go in the first round. Bare minimum of 4. Smith, Wilson, Glennon, Murray, Bray, and Barkley could all go in the 1st round. If the kid from Clemson declares, who knows? This is a pretty good QB class this year, despite what the pundits say IMO.