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Jakemall · 09-16-2013, 08:44 PM

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In the past decade or so, I'd say it's become more about winning than any other single factor. It's a quarterback league, so logically, the best QBs are going to beat the top competition and win 2nd/3rd round playoff games and SBs. Good quarterbacks can put up elite stats (at times, anyway), but can't get over the hump and consistently win when it matters.

Overall though, mixing in different eras, I think it's a much more complicated question... it was more of a team game back in the day, so there were guys like Marino who put up the stats, but didn't get a ring, and guys who coasted (relative to other QBs) to a championship with an elite defense or simply an overall better team game that wasn't focused on the QB.

So who has a more consistent win/loss record than Alex over the past 27 games?

chief4life · 09-16-2013, 08:44 PM

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Tebow won a playoff game too.

Your an idiot if you are comparing Tebow to Smith

Hammock Parties · 09-16-2013, 08:45 PM

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Your an idiot if you are comparing Tebow to Smith

Just saying, winning one playoff game in 7 years is not particularly impressive, nor an indicator of anything.

chief4life · 09-16-2013, 08:46 PM

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So who has a more consistent win/loss record than Alex over the past 27 games?

I am still waiting for them to answer that one, but they can't because the answer is none.

duncan_idaho · 09-16-2013, 08:48 PM

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So you want him to beat an elite team in the playoffs. He beat a team that won the SB less than 2 years prior to when he beat them. The team that has an all-world offense, and that he answered 2 late scoring drives against?

There's one thing to really hate Alex Smith but it's another to discredit a playoff win. I'm not sold on committing to him past next year right now either, but A 21-5-1 record over his last 27 games is a hard to ignore stat for me.

While I'm on this, who exactly is an elite team that's not flawed on one side of the ball?

We're really not that far apart. I'm saying that's one of the things (a big one) I'd hope to see before they sign him to a lucrative contract.

As for the playoff game... Alex Smith didn't do anything to that Saints D that wasn't done to it all season. In fact, his performance against them was almost exactly the AVERAGE performance by a QB in 2011 against them.

Just not that impressed by it. Sure, it was dramatic and he made some clutch plays (including some higher-degree-of-difficulty throws I wish he would make ALL the time, not just when he has no other choice). But in the end, it was a very median effort against a bad defense.

The 49ers D/ST also set Smith up to score 10 points on a grand total of 10 yards of offense (TD from the 4 after the Goldson INT return, FG after taking the ball at the 13 off teh kickoff).

I just would want to see more before he gets a lucrative extension and they commit to him long term.

**Bearcat** · 09-16-2013, 08:49 PM

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it wasn't that year. It sure was last year though. Jesus.....epically bad.

30th in passing yards against, but middle of the pack in points against... that's not terribly important though. It's not like it was the 2003 Chiefs. They got into a shootout and won.

If he does the same Thursday night, sure, the Eagles' defense has been bad, but if he's making plays downfield and getting good chunks of yards, at least it's something we haven't seen much of this season.

Of course, if he throws for 300 yards and 3 TDs, the board will explode.

Jakemall · 09-16-2013, 08:51 PM

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We're really not that far apart. I'm saying that's one of the things (a big one) I'd hope to see before they sign him to a lucrative contract.

As for the playoff game... Alex Smith didn't do anything to that Saints D that wasn't done to it all season. In fact, his performance against them was almost exactly the AVERAGE performance by a QB in 2011 against them.

Just not that impressed by it. Sure, it was dramatic and he made some clutch plays (including some higher-degree-of-difficulty throws I wish he would make ALL the time, not just when he has no other choice). But in the end, it was a very median effort against a bad defense.

The 49ers D/ST also set Smith up to score 10 points on a grand total of 10 yards of offense (TD from the 4 after the Goldson INT return, FG after taking the ball at the 13 off teh kickoff).

I just would want to see more before he gets a lucrative extension and they commit to him long term.

His play might seem average if you look at the stat line for the game. However, if you consider he put up how much offense in that last quarter to win the game, it doesn't seem so average anymore. Their defense was built to stop teams from coming back...not to prevent them from grinding it out on them in the first place because the offense is too powerful to expect that to be a concern.

**Mav** · 09-16-2013, 08:52 PM

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30th in passing yards against, but middle of the pack in points against... that's not terribly important though. It's not like it was the 2003 Chiefs. They got into a shootout and won.

If he does the same Thursday night, sure, the Eagles' defense has been bad, but if he's making plays downfield and getting good chunks of yards, at least it's something we haven't seen much of this season.

Of course, if he throws for 300 yards and 3 TDs, the board will explode.

it would be nice to see. Im not holding my breathe though. I would like to see the run game get going this week.

**The Bad Guy** · 09-16-2013, 08:52 PM

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We're really not that far apart. I'm saying that's one of the things (a big one) I'd hope to see before they sign him to a lucrative contract.

As for the playoff game... Alex Smith didn't do anything to that Saints D that wasn't done to it all season. In fact, his performance against them was almost exactly the AVERAGE performance by a QB in 2011 against them.

Just not that impressed by it. Sure, it was dramatic and he made some clutch plays (including some higher-degree-of-difficulty throws I wish he would make ALL the time, not just when he has no other choice). But in the end, it was a very median effort against a bad defense.

The 49ers D/ST also set Smith up to score 10 points on a grand total of 10 yards of offense (TD from the 4 after the Goldson INT return, FG after taking the ball at the 13 off teh kickoff).

I just would want to see more before he gets a lucrative extension and they commit to him long term.

I don't care what was done all season. The Chiefs couldn't run the ball on a horrible Colts rush D, like was done to them all season in the playoffs.

It's the playoffs - against a stud QB on a team that just won a SB 2 years ago.

This is like discrediting Kaepernick's win against Green Bay because their defense was putrid.

Alex Smith led both of those 4th quarter drives and made huge plays in both of them.

I want to see more too. I don't think there's a chance the Chiefs extend him prior to this off-season if he does really well.

ChiefsCountry · 09-16-2013, 08:53 PM

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So who has a more consistent win/loss record than Alex over the past 27 games?

Tom Brady

chief4life · 09-16-2013, 08:55 PM

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Tom Brady

Ok I think you are are right on that one but right below him is Alex Smith

**Bearcat** · 09-16-2013, 08:56 PM

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So who has a more consistent win/loss record than Alex over the past 27 games?

Against teams that would fall into the category of that kind of competition? I dunno, look it up.

duncan_idaho · 09-16-2013, 08:56 PM

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30th in passing yards against, but middle of the pack in points against... that's not terribly important though. It's not like it was the 2003 Chiefs. They got into a shootout and won.

If he does the same Thursday night, sure, the Eagles' defense has been bad, but if he's making plays downfield and getting good chunks of yards, at least it's something we haven't seen much of this season.

Of course, if he throws for 300 yards and 3 TDs, the board will explode.

And I have said several times (and I think some people are glossing over because I'm not going into full-on homer mode regarding who Alex Smith has been and can be), I really do hope he elevates his game and proves he can win games like that in a Chiefs uniform.

I AM a Chiefs fan. I HOPE he succeeds because that's what is good for my team. I HOPE Andy Reid is right about Smith.

I came into the year saying he'll have to show he can do what Reid thinks he can do before I'll buy all the way in. I'm not going to apologize for sticking to my guns on that and not going Chiefs red herpaderp after beating a terrible team and a mediocre team with very tepid performances at QB from Smith.

Just because he doesn't suck doesn't mean Chiefs fans have to act like he's a true star QB.

**Bearcat** · 09-16-2013, 08:59 PM

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it would be nice to see. Im not holding my breathe though. I would like to see the run game get going this week.

They do need to get JC more carries, but they need to exploit the Eagles' weakness, too... which could go hand in hand.

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