#3 overall pick... a 20 year history - Page 3

**AustinChief** · 02-08-2009, 05:27 PM

08 Matt Ryan
07 Joe Thomas
06 Vince Young
05 Braylon Edwards
04 Larry Fitzgerald
03 Andre Johnson
02 Joey Harrington
01 Gerard Warren
00 Chris Samuels
99 Akili Smith
98 Andre Wadsworth
97 Shawn Springs
96 Simeon Rice
95 Steve McNair
94 Heath Shuler
93 Garrison Hearst
92 Sean Gilbert
91 Bruce Pickens
90 Cortez Kennedy
89 Barry Sanders

Draw your own conclusions. As for myself, if this list is a good indicator, I would go DT, DE, OT or WR... unfortunately we don't have a need that pressing at OT and the DE, DT WR prospects are iffy that high...

I am not in the anti-QB at all cost crowd.. I just really am not sold on THESE two QBs... esp. Stafford...

Mecca · 02-08-2009, 07:30 PM

All I know is everytime I watched Chad Henne play I was thoroughly unimpressed.

And Flacco put up the red flags that I would put up on QB.

**doomy3** · 02-08-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Harrington is not a bust. He played for a shitty team for years. Actually, the worst team in the entire NFL. He's received poor coaching and bounced around but he's still playing and he's still under 30. There's certainly room for him to improve and find his way as an NFL QB. You could have put Rivers, Manning or Rothlisberger on that Lions teams and they would still suck.

I thought Vince Young was taken too high but the owner was enamored with his size, mobility and arm. Before his mental breakdown, he proved me wrong. I think it's way to early to label him a bust, unless he retires from football with mental issues.

Smith sucked. Major reach. Schuler was a joke but the Redskins at least made up with that selection by choosing Gus Ferrote in the 7th.

These comparisons have absolutely ZERO impact on the success or failure of Sanchez or Stafford so basically, this was an exercise in futility.

I almost stopped reading there, because I cannot honestly believe you are being serious.

But I actually do agree with your last part.

**AustinChief** · 02-08-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

All I know is everytime I watched Chad Henne play I was thoroughly unimpressed.

And Flacco put up the red flags that I would put up on QB.

I think Flacco will bear me out and Henne may if he gets any serious playing time... I can't see Pennington staying ahead of him for more than one more year.

**doomy3** · 02-08-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

All I know is everytime I watched Chad Henne play I was thoroughly unimpressed.

And Flacco put up the red flags that I would put up on QB.

Honestly, who cares?

Bill Parcells obviously liked Henne and Newsome liked Flacco. Those are two of the best in the business, so I will trust their judgment over yours.

Mecca · 02-08-2009, 07:35 PM

When a QB goes from 3rd round to 1st round during the combine because he starts showing off his arm he throws up a red flag to me..

I'll still go with that strategy more often that not you'll be right for avoiding them..the Ravens took 2 QB's like that one was a bust the other one looks alright after 1 year, but I also don't think he was as good as some made him out to be.

Mecca · 02-08-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Honestly, who cares?

Bill Parcells obviously liked Henne and Newsome liked Flacco. Those are two of the best in the business, so I will trust their judgment over yours.

Yea Ozzie Newsome drafted Kyle Boller too......Baltimore for all of their nice draft picks has had a real hard time with offensive skill players.

And Parcells draft history is really mixed...Bobby Carpenter anyone?

**doomy3** · 02-08-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

When a QB goes from 3rd round to 1st round during the combine because he starts showing off his arm he throws up a red flag to me..

I'll still go with that strategy more often that not you'll be right for avoiding them..the Ravens took 2 QB's like that one was a bust the other one looks alright after 1 year, but I also don't think he was as good as some made him out to be.

This is why I think it's funny that people are ready to anoint Matt Ryan as great after one year.

Mecca · 02-08-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

This is why I think it's funny that people are ready to anoint Matt Ryan as great after one year.

Well I think Ryan was significantly better than Flacco this past season...

**AustinChief** · 02-08-2009, 07:48 PM

and to be honest, this list was supposed to be about more than just ONE position at that pick....

Our team won't collapse if we don't pick a [insert pet position here] this year.

Mecca · 02-08-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

and to be honest, this list was supposed to be about more than just ONE position at that pick....

Our team won't collapse if we don't pick a [insert pet position here] this year.

Well this ties into my thread about next years draft, odds are this team will have a top 10 pick next year..

Well if we don't go QB this year who the hell is there next year at QB? I'm not seeing anything..

However I see 2 possible elite DE prospects and 2 of the best safety prospects ever.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-08-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

I almost stopped reading there, because I cannot honestly believe you are being serious.

But I actually do agree with your last part.

Akili Smith was a bust.

Jim Druckenmiller was a bust.

Ryan Leaf was a bust.

Cade McNown was a bust.

Joey Harrington is still playing in the NFL and has won some games. He got completely screwed over in Detroit (who hasn't?).

I'm not going to say the guy is anything better than average but Sean Payton's got him on his roster so that definitely says a little bit about the guy.

The guy's got nearly 15,000 yards passing and a QB rating of 69.1 while playing on shitty ****ing teams (Detroit, Miami & Atlanta).

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-08-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

This is why I think it's funny that people are ready to anoint Matt Ryan as great after one year.

Matt Ryan WAS great after one year.

How can you dispute that? Do you honestly believe that he will suddenly suck?

**AustinChief** · 02-08-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well this ties into my thread about next years draft, odds are this team will have a top 10 pick next year..

Well if we don't go QB this year who the hell is there next year at QB? I'm not seeing anything..

However I see 2 possible elite DE prospects and 2 of the best safety prospects ever.

I don't see anyone yet either... but that doesn't mean you reach this year. it means you suck it up and go BPA.

Can you name me ONE junior QB who didn't suck? And don't name Big Ben, #1 I don't think he is that good and #2 he was a 4 year junior with 38 starts....

Ebolapox · 02-08-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you liked Chad Henne more than these 2 guys I'm going to honestly ask you what the hell you were looking at.

kyle went to/graduated from michigan. does his henne love really shock you?

**doomy3** · 02-08-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Matt Ryan WAS great after one year.

How can you dispute that? Do you honestly believe that he will suddenly suck?

No, I don't believe he will suck. But there are plenty of one year wonders that flame out.

Look no further than your Pro Bowl QB at the number 3 spot, Vince Young.

02-08-2009, 05:27 PM
AustinChief Administrator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $2679112	#3 overall pick... a 20 year history 08 Matt Ryan 07 Joe Thomas 06 Vince Young 05 Braylon Edwards 04 Larry Fitzgerald 03 Andre Johnson 02 Joey Harrington 01 Gerard Warren 00 Chris Samuels 99 Akili Smith 98 Andre Wadsworth 97 Shawn Springs 96 Simeon Rice 95 Steve McNair 94 Heath Shuler 93 Garrison Hearst 92 Sean Gilbert 91 Bruce Pickens 90 Cortez Kennedy 89 Barry Sanders Draw your own conclusions. As for myself, if this list is a good indicator, I would go DT, DE, OT or WR... unfortunately we don't have a need that pressing at OT and the DE, DT WR prospects are iffy that high... I am not in the anti-QB at all cost crowd.. I just really am not sold on THESE two QBs... esp. Stafford...
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02-08-2009, 07:30 PM	#31
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2627050	All I know is everytime I watched Chad Henne play I was thoroughly unimpressed. And Flacco put up the red flags that I would put up on QB.
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02-08-2009, 07:35 PM	#35
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2627050	When a QB goes from 3rd round to 1st round during the combine because he starts showing off his arm he throws up a red flag to me.. I'll still go with that strategy more often that not you'll be right for avoiding them..the Ravens took 2 QB's like that one was a bust the other one looks alright after 1 year, but I also don't think he was as good as some made him out to be.
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02-08-2009, 07:48 PM	#39
AustinChief Administrator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $2679112	and to be honest, this list was supposed to be about more than just ONE position at that pick.... Our team won't collapse if we don't pick a [insert pet position here] this year.
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