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duncan_idaho · 08-15-2013, 08:13 AM

New thread, this time with more burst.

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

penbrook · 08-21-2013, 03:42 PM

I say lets trade Zimmer for Ron Washington. That manager is championship material

duncan_idaho · 08-21-2013, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbwm89

I'm a big fan of Cain but I'm not sure you can count on him in CF. Let's say you can get someone to play RF, are you comfortable with Cain/Dyson/Lough as your other 2-3 OF's?

I'm very comfortable with Lough as the 4th OF and Cain as the CF.

Lough as the starting RF makes me worry.

penbrook · 08-21-2013, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'm very comfortable with Lough as the 4th OF and Cain as the CF.

Lough as the starting RF makes me worry.

Loughs WAR 1.9

Wil Myers WAR 2.0

sedated · 08-21-2013, 03:53 PM

I’m beginning to hate sabermetrics. People can’t even decide on what stats are accurate and important, so they just throw around the ones that are most convenient to them, then drop the mic and walk off stage.

CaliforniaChief · 08-21-2013, 03:58 PM

We crossed the bridge with the Shields trade. We must now finish what was started. Acquire the big stick and roll.

penbrook · 08-21-2013, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated

I’m beginning to hate sabermetrics. People can’t even decide on what stats are accurate and important, so they just throw around the ones that are most convenient to them, then drop the mic and walk off stage.

I look at WAR and OPS.

penbrook · 08-21-2013, 04:01 PM

However Chris Getz .86 BB/K ratio is one of the best in the majors

duncan_idaho · 08-21-2013, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook

Loughs WAR 1.9

Wil Myers WAR 2.0

Which one of those two seems sustainable over a 160-game sample size?

It's the same thing with Dyson

penbrook · 08-21-2013, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Which one of those two seems sustainable over a 160-game sample size?

It's the same thing with Dyson

Dyson has a 1.2 WAR

Maxwell has a .9 WAR

Gordon has a 2.1 WAR

Chiefspants · 08-21-2013, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated

I’m beginning to hate sabermetrics. People can’t even decide on what stats are accurate and important, so they just throw around the ones that are most convenient to them, then drop the mic and walk off stage.

I think what it comes down to is that the baseball community was introduced to a myriad of new mechanisms to evaluate the game at one time. While it's likely going to take a few more years to perfect the process, simply acting like they do not exist or that they are the end all answer is rather foolish at this time.

CoMoChief · 08-21-2013, 04:13 PM

1. CF-Beltran
2. LF-Gordon
3. DH-Butler
4. 3B-Longoria
5. RF-Myers
6. 1B-Hosmer
7. C-Perez
8. 2B-Moustakas
9. SS-Escobar

We can all dream over what could have been right?

Chiefspants · 08-21-2013, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

1. CF-Beltran
2. LF-Gordon
3. DH-Butler
4. 3B-Longoria
5. RF-Myers
6. 1B-Hosmer
7. C-Perez
8. 2B-Moustakas
9. SS-Escobar

We can all dream over what could have been right?

No, KC fans have been "dreaming" for too long. Let's focus on what we can do from here.

Discuss Thrower · 08-21-2013, 04:19 PM

Blow it all up. Nobody should be safe. I can't imagine this team looking any better next year offensively.

Fire Ned, fire Dayton and play for 2017.

penbrook · 08-21-2013, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Blow it all up. Nobody should be safe. I can't imagine this team looking any better next year offensively.

Fire Ned, fire Dayton and play for 2017.

This is Ned's last year. His contract expires at the end of this year.

**Nzoner** · 08-21-2013, 04:26 PM

Oakland just lost.

08-15-2013, 08:13 AM
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