Baby kidnapped from home in KC

[Iowanian]

How is this not a topic of discussion on a KC message board?

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

The Irwin's New York counsel Joe Tacopina has told police he will reschedule the interview of the two boys for sometime next week. That's when the case will mark its one-month anniversary. It's an extraordinarily late time to be finally allowing interviews of witnesses who were in the house the night the baby is said to have disappeared.

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

When a poster to her Facebook page asked Tuesday why the boys weren't made available for police interviews, Ashley Irwin said they were interviewed right after the disappearance. This is a truthful answer

Those two statements seem somewhat contradictory.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Originally Posted by BigRock

Those two statements seem somewhat contradictory.

The kids were interviewed in the first hours.

Since that time, the mom has gone on national tv making claims that the kids heard noises and know more. So of course the cops would like to follow up and have them interviewed by a case worker without any cops in room and those requests have been denied and now put off even longer.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Matter of time. The dad has dead eyes.

Originally Posted by FAX

Well, for the first time ever, I decided to review some of the interviews conducted with the parents. The guy knows something. That's for sure. You don't have to be an expert in body language to see it. As for the mom, she appears to be crazy anyhow so anything is possible.

Given the behavior of the "father", though, it is pretty obvious that he is concealing something.

FAX

Thought the same thing, you can tell by his eyes and where he stares, his composure and body language. The way the mom interupts him seemed off too.

[Deberg_1990]

I wonder who was on the other end of that phone call? Hmmmm......Police might already know who it was.





Lisa Irwin is the 10 month old baby that went missing October 3rd, 2011. The statements of Deborah Bradley (mother) and Jeremy Irwin (father) are suspicious and considered deceptive. Now a mysterious phone call holds our attention.

When listening to Megan Wright's statement (at 1:30), we hear her say the following:

"I received a phone call, well my phone did, the night that baby Lisa went missing. It was apparently a 50 second phone call. I don't know who answered it or what was said or who was on the other end of the phone."

"I received a phone call, well my phone did" - she did not take the call herself

"It was apparently" - apparently indicates she was told about the length of the call. PD went through phone records.

"a 50 second phone call" - The 50 seconds is a very specific and you don't lie about a detail as it is verifiable. This suggests there was a call and it is the truth.

"I don't know who answered it" - implying somebody did answer and not a voice mail.

"or what was said" - when you do not pick up the call, it is a given that you do not know what was said. This implies, "what was said" is known, just not to her.

The "I don't knows" seem rehearsed and probably because she knows who, what and when but has been told by law enforcement not to reveal this in light of the investigations. She volunteers the "I don't knows" to avoid questions. Megan reports that she was interviewed four times by police which means they find this important.

This phone call is crucial in the investigation as police will know from which phone the call was made and at what time but is not revealing that detail. It has been reported that it was Deborah's cell phone. She denied the call was made and the phones were disconnected.

Baby Lisa went missing and the cell phones along with it. It is very likely that Deborah is deceptive in her statement about the stolen cell phones as she felt the need to explain why they were stolen: "so we could not call 911".

To explain why phones are missing makes sense when she needs them to be gone. She knows she made a phone call and has to prove that she could not have made the call with them gone. This way she implies "someone else must have called".

Only one question remains: What is the relationship between the Deborah/Jeremy and the recipient of the call?

Me thinkests that police already know who called, what was said and when the call was made and went to the Grand Jury with it. The immediate consequence of this knowledge was increased scrutiny on the parents. The only thing police is waiting for is hard evidence that will be upheld in court and that, in my view, is inevitable. Time Will Tell.

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/blog/13596#ixzz1cLGI5PiP

Cell Phones HOLD The Keyhttp://shadplay.blogspot.com/2011/10/lisairwin-cell-phones-hold-key.html

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

Missing Baby Lisa Irwin: Damaging Details Emerge Despite Damage Control


Kansas City, Mo., attorney Cyndy Short no longer represents missing baby Lisa Irwin's parents, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin. The report of Short's exit from the case comes from Judge Jeanine Pirro, who hosts Fox's "Justice with Judge Jeanine." Thursday, Short canceled a planned media walk-through of the couple's North Lister Street home and an investigative interview of baby Lisa's half-brothers, ages 5 and 8. The reason she gave was exhaustion.

Here's more on the damaging details that are emerging in the Irwin case:

* Pirro did not know whether lead attorney Joe Tacopina fired Short or whether she left the case for other reasons. But ABC News reported that she was "forced off the case overnight," local Kansas City station KMBC said.


* The Irwin's New York counsel Joe Tacopina has told police he will reschedule the interview of the two boys for sometime next week. That's when the case will mark its one-month anniversary. It's an extraordinarily late time to be finally allowing interviews of witnesses who were in the house the night the baby is said to have disappeared.


* Deborah Bradley acknowledged her son and Irwin's son heard something the night baby Lisa disappeared. But Bradley said the couple avoided further questioning of the boys so as not to put them through anything else.


* Jeremy Irwin's sister Ashley Irwin, who said on Facebook she is a third year law student, has been coordinating some of the search activities and also, apparently, running damage control. When a poster to her Facebook page asked Tuesday why the boys weren't made available for police interviews, Ashley Irwin said they were interviewed right after the disappearance. This is a truthful answer but an evasive one that obscures the conflict between police and the parents over more extensive interviews. "Anything else you want to know don't hesitate to ask. I'm all for clearing up rumors," Ashley Irwin posted.

* There was a phone call made from one of the missing cellphones in the early morning hours of Oct. 4. Judge Pirro said the police confirmed this to her. The recipient of the call was the message box of someone named Megan Wright. Police have talked to Wright but haven't released details of what, if anything, they learned. This new revelation by Judge Pirro is consistent with Bradley's statements about early police interviews in which she said they had ping data from one of the phones. Was Ashley Irwin misinformed, or attempting serious damage control when she claimed that the 2:30 a.m. phone call was a rumor and could not possibly have happened? The blog Shadowplay noted that Ashley Irwin posted on its Find Baby Lisa Facebook page Oct. 17, "Jeremy was at home with the children while Debbie & her brother went to the store. The 2:30 a.m. phone call is a false rumor. Their cellphones were shut off due to non-payment. No one could have made a call and that is also why police couldn't ping them."


* Bradley and Jeremy Irwin said they discovered that their cellphones were missing when they tried to call 911 after discovering their daughter missing and not finding her in a house search. "Jeremy had his work cellphone on his body when he got home at 4 a.m. That's how they called 911." Ashley Irwin posted Oct. 17 on Find Baby Lisa. So why was there any effort to find missing home cellphones or delay in calling 911?

http://news.yahoo.com/missing-baby-l...135000443.html

Well besides thinking the mom did. The most criminal thing is abcnews from what others have been investigating. I guess they are the ones bringing all the big name and making a circus of it.

They hired the pi who cannot work in missouri, they are paying the ny scumbag lawyer to represent and they are the ones who supposedly offered the 100k. From what I am hearing from neighbors, they are suppose to talk to abc first.

The missing child is an afterthought to the moneygrubbing parents and hits/viewership network. All this bs for ratings.

[Deberg_1990]

new info..


KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) - A woman says investigators have questioned her four times about a cell phone call made from one of Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin's cell phones just a few hours before they reported their daughter missing.

Megan Wright told CNN Monday that the telephone call came in between 8 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. Oct. 3.

Bradley and Irwin told police about 4 a.m. Oct. 4 that their daughter had been snatched was from her crib while she was sleeping. Bradley initially said she last saw her daughter at 10:30 p.m. Oct. 3, but later said she was drunk that night and last saw her daughter around 6:30 p.m.


Bradley and Irwin have repeatedly insisted that the kidnapper stole the family's three cell phones but the cell phones weren't working because of nonpayment. In court documents filed in mid-October, police said they have yet to recover the cell phones.

"I didn't have my phone at the time, but apparently there was a 50 second phone call from one of the family's phones to my cell phone. About 50 seconds long," she said. "I don't know what was said or who called or who answered my phone. But that's what the police have been questioning me about."

Wright said she received her phone back between 11 p.m. and 11:30 p.m. Oct. 3, just a few hours after the mysterious phone call was received.


Wright, who has been residing in a home about a mile from baby Lisa's home on Lister Avenue in the Northland, said she does not know either Irwin or Bradley.

She said she and seven other people she lives with share the cell phone, which is why she doesn't know some of the details about the phone call.

"We have eight people that live here and only one cell phone at the time so it was pretty much community (property)," she said. "Whoever needed my phone."

But Bill Stanton, a New York private detective working on the case, told Fox News this weekend that Wright may know someone connected to the case.

Wright dated a neighborhood handyman known as "Jersey."

"He's an ex-boyfriend of mine," Wright said Monday. "We dated for about five months. I met him when I lived further down on Brighton. He was just a friend of a friend. He and I were together, for like I said, about five months. After I ended up moving in here, we broke up shortly afterwards and it was a couple of weeks before baby Lisa went missing."

Wright said she did not know whether "Jersey" knew Bradley or Irwin. She said as a drifter he went door to door looking for work and may have stopped at their home.


Whether "Jersey" or someone else received the 50 second phone call was unknown Monday night. It was also unclear Monday how Wright's cell phone could have received such a call from one of the Bradley-Irwin cell phones since the parents had said they were incapable of making phone calls.


Kansas City Police Department spokesman Steve Young said he could not discuss investigators interviews with Wright. However, Young did say the man known as "Jersey" has been interviewed and cleared of any involvement in the baby's disappearance.


"We spoke to him and are moving on," Young said.

Police have cleared more than a 1,000 leads. Lisa went missing four weeks ago. Bradley has said she expects to be arrested in connection with her daughter's disappearance, but police have not publicly identified a person of interest in the case.

Wright told CNN that she had placed an online advertisement for an electronics item and used the cell phone number called by the Irwin-Bradley cell phone. She said the FBI saw the number and set up a fake appointment to buy the item shortly after baby Lisa went missing, Wright said. That is when the first interview occurred

[Huffmeister]

WTF? 8 people in one house? Community cell phone?

[kepp]

Originally Posted by Huffmeister

WTF? 8 people in one house? Community cell phone?

A boyfriend named "Jersey"? This whole situation smells funky.

[bevischief]

This case just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

[ReynardMuldrake]

Originally Posted by kepp

A boyfriend named "Jersey"? This whole situation smells funky.

Wait a minute... that must mean... SABBY PISSSHITSMELLY IS THE REAL KILLER!!!

[ForeverChiefs58]

The witness who saw a guy carrying a baby is Mike Thompson who said he just got off work. Is this the weatherman?


Thompson said police showed him photos and he picked the guy out of some photos and police interviewed the guy carrying around a baby with no clothes at 4:00 am in cold.

Should have arrested his ass, and I wonder if he knows family.

Too wierd that Megan Wright has connection to the family. And who has community cell phones and 8 to a house? Equally fishy. Is it considered a middle class neighborhood?

[4th and Long]

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

The witness who saw a guy carrying a baby is Mike Thompson who said he just got off work. Is this the weatherman?

I'm betting that Mike Thompson, the weather man for FOX 4, gets off work well before 4 in the morning.

[TheSourceX1]

Too bad rivers didn't kidnap the baby ... he would have fumbled it at the door and everything would be okay.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Originally Posted by 4th and Long

I'm betting that Mike Thompson, the weather man for FOX 4, gets off work well before 4 in the morning.

Lots of weather guys work odd hours. especially if there was any weather warnings that night.

Anyway, I thought it was more interesting the police had a photo of the guy. Would be crazy if it was the mom's brother.

[Coogs]

Details emerge about the night baby Lisa Irwin disappeared


By GLENN E. RICE

The Kansas City Star


The night before her 10-month-old daughter disappeared, Deborah Bradley spent several hours talking with a friend, smoking cigarettes and drinking five to 10 glasses of wine.

Bradley became so intoxicated that she could not recall later whether she checked on Lisa Irwin in her crib before going to bed herself about 10:30 p.m., according to a source familiar with the family’s recollection of events from Oct. 3 and 4.

For the first time, the source provided details of what happened, according to Lisa’s parents, in the hours leading up to the moment they realized Lisa was gone from their Kansas City home on North Lister Avenue.

It was an unusual night for the family. Lisa’s father, Jeremy Irwin, had taken on an extra work assignment to help the family catch up on bills. Normally, he would have been home at night.

According to the source:

Irwin came home from his day job as an electrician about 2:30 that afternoon, which was the first Monday in October. He stayed long enough to have dinner with his family and play with the children.

About 4:30 p.m., Bradley and her brother, Phillip Netz, left to go a neighborhood store to buy a box of wine and baby supplies. Irwin stayed with Lisa and her half-brothers, ages 8 and 5.

About 5 p.m., Netz and Bradley returned from the store. Netz soon left. About 30 minutes later, Irwin headed to work at a Starbucks, but he did not expect the work to keep him away from home as long as it did.

Samantha Brando, a next door neighbor in her 20s, came over to the Irwin house with her 4-year-old daughter. The daughter played with Lisa’s half-brothers.

Bradley put Lisa in her crib about 6:40 p.m., while Brando headed to a store to purchase liquor for herself.

Brando returned to the Irwin home about 7 p.m. and sat on the front stoop with Bradley. The two smoked cigarettes, talked and drank into the night.

By 10:30 p.m., Bradley, who had consumed five to 10 glasses of wine, was intoxicated. She told Brando that she was going to bed. Brando left.

The boys fell asleep in bed with Bradley. The door to Lisa’s bedroom already was closed to block out noise from the boys playing earlier.

Irwin finished his work at Starbucks at 3:45 a.m. and drove to his Northland home. Though he had worked through much of the night, he had not called home from Starbucks.

At home, he noticed the front door unlocked and the lights on, which was unusual. He walked to the computer room and realized the window was open. He tried to shut it but couldn’t because it wouldn’t work properly.

He walked to the boys’ room and saw that the older boy was in his bed on the top bunk. The younger boy still was in bed with Bradley.

The door to Lisa’s room was open, but Irwin did not peek inside. He walked by and entered his bedroom.

A stray cat that Bradley had brought into the home was at the foot of their bed. Bradley awoke. Irwin asked her what was going on, why the front door was open and the lights were on. Bradley said she did not know.

Irwin then realized that he had not checked on Lisa. He went to her room. Her crib was empty. He went back to his bedroom and asked Bradley about the baby’s whereabouts. Bradley said she didn’t know.

Irwin ran to the Brando home and banged on the front door. He asked Brando if Lisa was there. She asked why Lisa would be there and not at home.

Panic ensued. Irwin called police on his work cellphone, after noticing that the home cellphones were missing.

Calling out the home’s address, a dispatcher told officers to respond on a “reported residential burglary in progress.”

Seconds later she said, “Contact Jeremy. … He noticed his screen is busted and his 10-month-old daughter is missing.

“He advises that he didn’t witness anything and doesn’t know how long she’s been gone.”


Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/01...#ixzz1cYUdIuH1

You know, this article still does not say the neighbor, or her (mom's) brother saw Lisa. It implies that she was still alive and there... but it is just has the two parents saying they... played with her (dad), and... put her to bed (mom). Why didn't the 4 year old neighbor girl play with all three of Irwin's kids, and not just the two brothers?