Expanding the NCAA Tournament? - Page 2

milkman · 03-18-2008, 10:10 PM

There's been discussion by some in the media that the NCAA Tournament should be expanded.

Bob Knight suggested it should be expanded to 128 teams.

Why?

At this point in time, a 16 seed has never beaten a 1 seed, and if IRCC, the lowest seed to win the tournament is 11.

What would be the point of expanding?

It would be smarter to contract it back to a 48 yeam field.

ChiefsCountry · 03-19-2008, 12:00 AM

They wouldnt be expanding it to include more 16 seed types, it would be to include more #11 and #12 teams type teams.

KCChiefsMan · 03-19-2008, 12:18 AM

that's one of the worse ideas I've ever heard.

Valiant · 03-19-2008, 12:19 AM

Dumbest idea ever..

And the fact that some want the teams to play best of three is even more reeruned.. It eliminates the chance for the upsets almost to zero.. That and the tournament would take over a month..

IF anything get rid of the extra game and just leave it tothe 64 teams..

shyguyms · 03-19-2008, 12:19 AM

they should expand it because there is better teams not in then alot of the teams that are in. Or forget about the automatic bids for all those small leagues.
Maryland,Minnesota,VCU,Va Tech,Fla st., Umass, Arizona st., Syracuse are all better than atleast 20 of the 64 teams in it now.
the only reason a 16 never wins is because it's a small school all the time
Maryland isn't in and they already beat Carolina at the dean dome.
make it 96 teams, the top 32 get a bye the others all play a first round game with them advancing to the round of 64 and in the second round we would have teams that i mentioned above playing the larger schools and teams like Coppin st,MT St Mary's,UMBC and S. Alabama would be home watching the rest of the tourney.
play the first round games at 4 sites on tuesday live the play in game now
4 games each at 4 sites and entertain the fans, make everyone happy and make money

ClevelandBronco · 03-19-2008, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by shyguyms

they should expand it because there is better teams not in then alot of the teams that are in. Or forget about the automatic bids for all those small leagues.
Maryland,Minnesota,VCU,Va Tech,Fla st., Umass, Arizona st., Syracuse are all better than atleast 20 of the 64 teams in it now.
the only reason a 16 never wins is because it's a small school all the time
Maryland isn't in and they already beat Carolina at the dean dome.
make it 96 teams, the top 32 get a bye the others all play a first round game with them advancing to the round of 64 and in the second round we would have teams that i mentioned above playing the larger schools and teams like Coppin st,MT St Mary's,UMBC and S. Alabama would be home watching the rest of the tourney.
play the first round games at 4 sites on tuesday live the play in game now
4 games each at 4 sites and entertain the fans, make everyone happy and make money

Good plan.

Thig Lyfe · 03-19-2008, 01:11 AM

If you want to make sure you'll get in the tournament, win every game.

Otherwise, shut the fuck up and take your NIT berth.

**CrazyPhuD** · 03-19-2008, 02:22 AM

Actually is this really a bad idea? I mean really it could just be an extension of how kids play sports today. Every team should make the NCAA tourney, and everyone gets to play 6 games. No score will ever be kept and at the end of the two weeks everyone is national champion. It's a win win situation and this way no school has to every feel snubbed or feel like losers again!

HolyHandgernade · 03-19-2008, 02:58 AM

I don't think it needs to be expanded, but here is my plan if they did:

The odds are that the top 16 seeds are going to produce your Final Four members, so the committee selects them first and they receive a bye into the bracket portion of the Tourney.

The committee then selects "the Field" of 96 teams, conference tourney winners who were not selected as a top 16 team get automatic qualification to "the Field". Committee ranks them 1-96 and then pairs them 1 vs 96, 2 vs 95, etc. Better seed gets to host the game.

Committe then takes the top four winners who become the "5 seeds" for the bracket, on down the line. The NIT expands to a 48 team format to form a consolation tourney for the losers (top seeded losers are the one seeds, and so on)

This way, you get an NCAA Tourney that really has the top 64 teams, every team is guaranteed a tourney format, confrence tourney winners are still rewarded but so are quality regular season teams who might have stubbed their toe in their tournament. This format would allow roughly the upper third of all Div. 1 teams the chance at the Big Dance, keep the 64 team bracket, not punish teams who have a good regular season from mid majors, and still give the favorites the best chance of advancing.

-HH

WilliamTheIrish · 03-19-2008, 04:30 AM

Same topic every year at this time. So here is the answer I keyed in last year. And the year before. And the year before.

There is no need to expand the field. It's already open to every team, no matter the record. By way of something called the conference tournament. If you have a losing record, and get hot for a week, win the conference tourney...BAM! You're in.

See you all in this topic next season.

milkman · 03-19-2008, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Same topic every year at this time. So here is the answer I keyed in last year. And the year before. And the year before.

There is no need to expand the field. It's already open to every team, no matter the record. By way of something called the conference tournament. If you have a losing record, and get hot for a week, win the conference tourney...BAM! You're in.

See you all in this topic next season.

The conference tournament sucks ass.

A 12-16 team shouldn't be rewarded for getting hot at the end of the season, and a smaller conference regular season champion gets screwed.

It renders the regular season meaningless.

**Dartgod** · 03-19-2008, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

I think expanding the tournament is the stupidest thing ever. I know everybody loves the tournament and the crapshoot it is but it kind of takes away what you do in the regular season. They need a nice blend between college football and the big dance as it is right now. My suggestion is have a committee at the end of the year put together the top 16 teams. Instead of one game and you are out, they should do it best out of 3. One game is just reeruned. A team can just get hot from three and beat a good team.

If it was in format I described KU would of won about three national championships in the last 20 years instead of one. Suprisingly though the last three years one of the best teams has one it, but expect that to change soon.

Those losses to Bucknell and Bradley still stinging a bit, are they?

**luv** · 03-19-2008, 07:28 AM

I say put it back to 64 teams. As it is, I don't see the point of having one stupid play in game that no one pays attention to anyway.

**RockChalk** · 03-19-2008, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

Those losses to Bucknell and Bradley still stinging a bit, are they?

I hope he's not referring to those KU teams. Even if they had beat Bucknell and Bradley, those teams were not winning the national championship

Brock · 03-19-2008, 08:33 AM

Is Peterson moving to NCAA basketball?

FD · 03-19-2008, 08:44 AM

Terrible idea. The only reason people discuss it is because this time a year talking heads on sports shows talk up very mediocre teams into tourney "contenders" so they have to complain of the injustice of leaving them out. The tournament doesn't need those extra couple shitty big conference schools.

03-18-2008, 10:10 PM
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Valiant Valiant 'The Thread Killer' Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $6332380	Dumbest idea ever.. And the fact that some want the teams to play best of three is even more reeruned.. It eliminates the chance for the upsets almost to zero.. That and the tournament would take over a month.. IF anything get rid of the extra game and just leave it tothe 64 teams..
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03-19-2008, 12:19 AM	#19
shyguyms Starter Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $10004900	they should expand it because there is better teams not in then alot of the teams that are in. Or forget about the automatic bids for all those small leagues. Maryland,Minnesota,VCU,Va Tech,Fla st., Umass, Arizona st., Syracuse are all better than atleast 20 of the 64 teams in it now. the only reason a 16 never wins is because it's a small school all the time Maryland isn't in and they already beat Carolina at the dean dome. make it 96 teams, the top 32 get a bye the others all play a first round game with them advancing to the round of 64 and in the second round we would have teams that i mentioned above playing the larger schools and teams like Coppin st,MT St Mary's,UMBC and S. Alabama would be home watching the rest of the tourney. play the first round games at 4 sites on tuesday live the play in game now 4 games each at 4 sites and entertain the fans, make everyone happy and make money
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03-19-2008, 01:11 AM	#21
Thig Lyfe Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Thigpen's America Casino cash: $10004900	If you want to make sure you'll get in the tournament, win every game. Otherwise, shut the fuck up and take your NIT berth.
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03-19-2008, 02:22 AM	#22
CrazyPhuD Meow Join Date: Jun 2005 Casino cash: $10005050	Actually is this really a bad idea? I mean really it could just be an extension of how kids play sports today. Every team should make the NCAA tourney, and everyone gets to play 6 games. No score will ever be kept and at the end of the two weeks everyone is national champion. It's a win win situation and this way no school has to every feel snubbed or feel like losers again!
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03-19-2008, 02:58 AM	#23
HolyHandgernade Integralist Join Date: May 2001 Location: Murrieta, CA Casino cash: $10006370	I don't think it needs to be expanded, but here is my plan if they did: The odds are that the top 16 seeds are going to produce your Final Four members, so the committee selects them first and they receive a bye into the bracket portion of the Tourney. The committee then selects "the Field" of 96 teams, conference tourney winners who were not selected as a top 16 team get automatic qualification to "the Field". Committee ranks them 1-96 and then pairs them 1 vs 96, 2 vs 95, etc. Better seed gets to host the game. Committe then takes the top four winners who become the "5 seeds" for the bracket, on down the line. The NIT expands to a 48 team format to form a consolation tourney for the losers (top seeded losers are the one seeds, and so on) This way, you get an NCAA Tourney that really has the top 64 teams, every team is guaranteed a tourney format, confrence tourney winners are still rewarded but so are quality regular season teams who might have stubbed their toe in their tournament. This format would allow roughly the upper third of all Div. 1 teams the chance at the Big Dance, keep the 64 team bracket, not punish teams who have a good regular season from mid majors, and still give the favorites the best chance of advancing. -HH __________________ You'll see it's all a show, keep 'em laughing as you go, just remember, the last laugh is on you, and always look on the bright side of life! Last edited by HolyHandgernade; 03-19-2008 at 03:07 AM..
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03-19-2008, 04:30 AM	#24
WilliamTheIrish Champion Golfer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $5960607	Same topic every year at this time. So here is the answer I keyed in last year. And the year before. And the year before. There is no need to expand the field. It's already open to every team, no matter the record. By way of something called the conference tournament. If you have a losing record, and get hot for a week, win the conference tourney...BAM! You're in. See you all in this topic next season.
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03-19-2008, 07:28 AM	#27
luv MY LITTLE #15 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $6179600	I say put it back to 64 teams. As it is, I don't see the point of having one stupid play in game that no one pays attention to anyway.
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03-19-2008, 08:44 AM	#30
FD Veteran Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Casino cash: $9482813	Terrible idea. The only reason people discuss it is because this time a year talking heads on sports shows talk up very mediocre teams into tourney "contenders" so they have to complain of the injustice of leaving them out. The tournament doesn't need those extra couple shitty big conference schools.
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