Chiefs Babb – Trade 3rd for Cassel

Wilson8 · 01-27-2009, 08:10 AM

This topic will fire people up...
Billboards, dollar bills, long shots and every reason the Chiefs need to trade for Matt Cassel
So it's debate-thirty here at Red Zone, and while we're solving the Chiefs' problems at head coach, here's another doozy that needs to be discussed sooner rather than later.
The Chiefs have three months to decide what they'll do with their No. 3 overall pick, and I'm here to tell you the best thing to do is trade that thing for your quarterback of the future: Matt Cassel.
What's that draft pick doing but burning a hole in your pocket and trying like hell to convince you to spend it on Matt Stafford or Mark Sanchez or some guy who plays defense and can't even throw a football. The fact is, Stafford probably won't be available at 3, and Sanchez has some work to do before I'm convinced he's a sure thing.
But before we go any further, let's address something I know is on your mind: the pass rusher/linebacker debate. As my pal Adam Teicher wrote last week, there just aren't that many elite pass rushers who, as of now, should command a selection at No. 3. That might well be the Chiefs' biggest need, but a far worse mistake than drafting to fill a lower-priority need is reaching for your biggest need. And hey, Aaron Curry is dynamite, but linebacker is a position the Chiefs can strengthen through free agency.
So let's assume that the Chiefs want to upgrade at quarterback, which is a foregone conclusion even if Scott Pioli and the new coach like Tyler Thigpen as much as Herm Edwards did. Instead of watching Stafford hold up a Detroit jersey and then react by reaching for Sanchez, the Chiefs should start considering trading that No. 3 pick for Cassel.
Pioli knows him well and knows Cassel can play. He stepped in last season for one of the best passers of this generation and was only a few clicks below Tom Brady -- and that might have been because Cassel was starting his first games since high school. Not even kidding, either. Even still, he passed for 3,693 yards and threw 21 touchdowns to 11 interceptions. The kid has room to grow, and at age 26, he's a year or two away from hitting his prime -- which would jive with the time the rest of the young Chiefs might start playing their best football.
OK, so there will be some of you out there who want to hold onto that draft pick. There are some who think the draft is more exciting than the season, and the thought of electrocuting all that suspense might be too much. "What if Stafford/Sanchez/Josh Freeman is the next Dan Marino?" you might scream with fear in your voice. "Hey," you'll remind me, "remember Matt Ryan?"
Well, picture this: In the last 10 years, there have been 13 quarterbacks taken among the draft's top five. The good: Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Ryan and Donovan McNabb. The bad (or uncertain): JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, Alex Smith, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Michael Vick, Tim Couch and Akili Smith. Of those 13 top-five quarterbacks, eight haven't worked out or need miracles to either get their careers back in order or live up to their draft picks. That's a 62 percent failure rate. You like those odds for your hometown Chiefs?
Ask any general manager or coach, and if they're being honest they'll tell you the same thing: Drafting a quarterback is the biggest gamble in the game. All the scouting, film review, interviews and combine numbers mean nothing until the quarterback takes an NFL snap. And too many of those can't-miss prospects are in over their heads before their first game check clears.
Stafford and Sanchez might be terrific quarterbacks. But the Chiefs need a sure thing, and Cassel has shown he's as close to a sure thing as likely will be available.
So here's the plan: The Chiefs trade that No. 3 pick to New England for Cassel, whom the Chiefs then sign to a long-term contract that likely would cost them less than a deal with a quarterback they'd draft at No. 3.
Then on draft day, with the No. 35 overall pick, grab a defensive end or linebacker -- whichever position you didn't upgrade in free agency -- and start strengthening the defense with a young star.
In the meantime, you'd have a fifth-year quarterback with starting experience on your team, his face plastered alongside the new coach's mug on billboards downtown and along Interstates 35, 29 and 70. "The faces of the future" or some line that'll get you fired up in the mroning while you gnaw on a bagel, and below the faces and the slogan will be the Chiefs' season-ticket hotline.
The point is, Cassel is a lot closer to a sure thing than the Chiefs will get in the draft. If they draft a quarterback, the Chiefs would have to wait for him to develop -- because Ryan doesn't come along every year, sports fans. Cassel has developed and can be plugged into the starting lineup for the next five to seven years. Immediately.
Sure, maybe the Chiefs can draft a better passer at No. 3. But will they draft the right quarterback? Will he arrive in training camp on time? Will he respond to coaching?
The way things are going around here, is it really worth the risk?

Submitted by Kent Babb on January 26, 2009 - 7:24am.

http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/647

KCFalcon59 · 01-27-2009, 08:10 AM

Pneuma · 01-27-2009, 08:23 AM

God no

**pr_capone** · 01-27-2009, 08:24 AM

Lex Luthors · 01-27-2009, 08:25 AM

Hell no

JOhn · 01-27-2009, 08:26 AM

How about they keep Cassel & give us the coach instead. I would rather have him instead of Cassel.

SenselessChiefsFan · 01-27-2009, 08:30 AM

This guy is better than I probably give him credit for. However, I do not think he is worth the 3rd overall pick.

I would be fine with trading down and offering up a late first round pick for him. I probably still wouldn't prefer that, but I would be okay with it.

There have been many a QB that was able to be successful for part of a season in the NFL. Cassel could just as easily be a huge flop.

**ChiefGator** · 01-27-2009, 08:33 AM

I thought this meant trade our 3rd rounder for Cassel. Do that in a heartbeat.

I would trade our 2nd rounder for Cassel, or at least think about it. Not the first, and certainly not the 3rd overall.

**the Talking Can** · 01-27-2009, 08:35 AM

"oh noes!!...drafting QB riskee!!!...KC fans arfraid!!"

Wilson8 · 01-27-2009, 08:36 AM

I think there is some merit to looking at Cassel for QB but there are a lot of “IFS” to it.
1. IF Scott Pioli actually believes that Matt Cassel is a very good QB.
2. IF New England is willing to negotiate on the price of Cassel. He is not worth the 3rd overall pick.
3. IF Scott Pioli and scouts do not think that Stafford or Sanchez should be the Chiefs QB.
4. IF Scott Pioli and coaches do not think Tyler Thigpen is the QB for next year.
5. IF they can negotiate a more cap friendly contract with Matt Cassel than with a 1st round QB.
6. IF there are no other QBs in this year’s draft that the Chiefs think could start within a couple of years.
I’m saying all of these things need to be true for the Chiefs to consider this move. Cassel has to be very good. New England does not want to use 14MM of their cap for Cassel so they negotiate down to a player and a later round draft pick. Even if we draft a rookie QB we have to consider that Tyler may need to QB next year. Money and cap space always enters into an NFL business decision. Bottom line KC needs a very good starting QB when the offseason is done.

IF the Chiefs already had a good starting QB, it gives them a lot more options with the 2009 draft.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-27-2009, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

I thought this meant trade our 3rd rounder for Cassel. Do that in a heartbeat.

I would trade our 2nd rounder for Cassel, or at least think about it. Not the first, and certainly not the 3rd overall.

I thought he meant 3rd ROUND pick as well, and I still thought it was a stupid idea.

Then when I realized he meant the 3rd OVERALL pick...

I wonder what Kent Babb's CP handle is, he'd fit right in here.

Warrior5 · 01-27-2009, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

I thought this meant trade our 3rd rounder for Cassel. Do that in a heartbeat.

My thoughts also, but NE would be stupid to franchise Cassel simply to trade him for a 3rd round pick. NE ain't stupid.

KC trade its 3rd pick in round 1 for Cassel? Hell no. Pioli ain't stupid.

DMAC · 01-27-2009, 08:38 AM

I'd love to bring in Matt Cassel.........FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!!!!!

philfree · 01-27-2009, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

I thought this meant trade our 3rd rounder for Cassel. Do that in a heartbeat.

I would trade our 2nd rounder for Cassel, or at least think about it. Not the first, and certainly not the 3rd overall.

Our 2nd is almost a 1st. Cassel for the 34th pick in the draft and we take the best player at #3. If Pioli wants to build an offense he could draft an OT and have two kick ass OTs blocking for a running game and protecting Cassel. If we were gonna do that though we should try and trade down to make up for the pick we give for Cassel. Maybe trade to a spot it would make sense to draft Duke Robinson.

PhilFree

FloridaMan88 · 01-27-2009, 08:50 AM

I like Cassel, but he's not worth the 3rd overall pick in the draft for.

01-27-2009, 08:10 AM
Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3607557	Babb – Trade 3rd for Cassel This topic will fire people up... Billboards, dollar bills, long shots and every reason the Chiefs need to trade for Matt Cassel So it's debate-thirty here at Red Zone, and while we're solving the Chiefs' problems at head coach, here's another doozy that needs to be discussed sooner rather than later. The Chiefs have three months to decide what they'll do with their No. 3 overall pick, and I'm here to tell you the best thing to do is trade that thing for your quarterback of the future: Matt Cassel. What's that draft pick doing but burning a hole in your pocket and trying like hell to convince you to spend it on Matt Stafford or Mark Sanchez or some guy who plays defense and can't even throw a football. The fact is, Stafford probably won't be available at 3, and Sanchez has some work to do before I'm convinced he's a sure thing. But before we go any further, let's address something I know is on your mind: the pass rusher/linebacker debate. As my pal Adam Teicher wrote last week, there just aren't that many elite pass rushers who, as of now, should command a selection at No. 3. That might well be the Chiefs' biggest need, but a far worse mistake than drafting to fill a lower-priority need is reaching for your biggest need. And hey, Aaron Curry is dynamite, but linebacker is a position the Chiefs can strengthen through free agency. So let's assume that the Chiefs want to upgrade at quarterback, which is a foregone conclusion even if Scott Pioli and the new coach like Tyler Thigpen as much as Herm Edwards did. Instead of watching Stafford hold up a Detroit jersey and then react by reaching for Sanchez, the Chiefs should start considering trading that No. 3 pick for Cassel. Pioli knows him well and knows Cassel can play. He stepped in last season for one of the best passers of this generation and was only a few clicks below Tom Brady -- and that might have been because Cassel was starting his first games since high school. Not even kidding, either. Even still, he passed for 3,693 yards and threw 21 touchdowns to 11 interceptions. The kid has room to grow, and at age 26, he's a year or two away from hitting his prime -- which would jive with the time the rest of the young Chiefs might start playing their best football. OK, so there will be some of you out there who want to hold onto that draft pick. There are some who think the draft is more exciting than the season, and the thought of electrocuting all that suspense might be too much. "What if Stafford/Sanchez/Josh Freeman is the next Dan Marino?" you might scream with fear in your voice. "Hey," you'll remind me, "remember Matt Ryan?" Well, picture this: In the last 10 years, there have been 13 quarterbacks taken among the draft's top five. The good: Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Ryan and Donovan McNabb. The bad (or uncertain): JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, Alex Smith, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Michael Vick, Tim Couch and Akili Smith. Of those 13 top-five quarterbacks, eight haven't worked out or need miracles to either get their careers back in order or live up to their draft picks. That's a 62 percent failure rate. You like those odds for your hometown Chiefs? Ask any general manager or coach, and if they're being honest they'll tell you the same thing: Drafting a quarterback is the biggest gamble in the game. All the scouting, film review, interviews and combine numbers mean nothing until the quarterback takes an NFL snap. And too many of those can't-miss prospects are in over their heads before their first game check clears. Stafford and Sanchez might be terrific quarterbacks. But the Chiefs need a sure thing, and Cassel has shown he's as close to a sure thing as likely will be available. So here's the plan: The Chiefs trade that No. 3 pick to New England for Cassel, whom the Chiefs then sign to a long-term contract that likely would cost them less than a deal with a quarterback they'd draft at No. 3. Then on draft day, with the No. 35 overall pick, grab a defensive end or linebacker -- whichever position you didn't upgrade in free agency -- and start strengthening the defense with a young star. In the meantime, you'd have a fifth-year quarterback with starting experience on your team, his face plastered alongside the new coach's mug on billboards downtown and along Interstates 35, 29 and 70. "The faces of the future" or some line that'll get you fired up in the mroning while you gnaw on a bagel, and below the faces and the slogan will be the Chiefs' season-ticket hotline. The point is, Cassel is a lot closer to a sure thing than the Chiefs will get in the draft. If they draft a quarterback, the Chiefs would have to wait for him to develop -- because Ryan doesn't come along every year, sports fans. Cassel has developed and can be plugged into the starting lineup for the next five to seven years. Immediately. Sure, maybe the Chiefs can draft a better passer at No. 3. But will they draft the right quarterback? Will he arrive in training camp on time? Will he respond to coaching? The way things are going around here, is it really worth the risk? Submitted by Kent Babb on January 26, 2009 - 7:24am. http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/647
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SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	This guy is better than I probably give him credit for. However, I do not think he is worth the 3rd overall pick. I would be fine with trading down and offering up a late first round pick for him. I probably still wouldn't prefer that, but I would be okay with it. There have been many a QB that was able to be successful for part of a season in the NFL. Cassel could just as easily be a huge flop.
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ChiefGator Can these boys not play? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Northcentral Florida Casino cash: $7662956	I thought this meant trade our 3rd rounder for Cassel. Do that in a heartbeat. I would trade our 2nd rounder for Cassel, or at least think about it. Not the first, and certainly not the 3rd overall. __________________ - Mark
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01-27-2009, 08:36 AM	#10
Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3607557	I think there is some merit to looking at Cassel for QB but there are a lot of “IFS” to it. 1. IF Scott Pioli actually believes that Matt Cassel is a very good QB. 2. IF New England is willing to negotiate on the price of Cassel. He is not worth the 3rd overall pick. 3. IF Scott Pioli and scouts do not think that Stafford or Sanchez should be the Chiefs QB. 4. IF Scott Pioli and coaches do not think Tyler Thigpen is the QB for next year. 5. IF they can negotiate a more cap friendly contract with Matt Cassel than with a 1st round QB. 6. IF there are no other QBs in this year’s draft that the Chiefs think could start within a couple of years. I’m saying all of these things need to be true for the Chiefs to consider this move. Cassel has to be very good. New England does not want to use 14MM of their cap for Cassel so they negotiate down to a player and a later round draft pick. Even if we draft a rookie QB we have to consider that Tyler may need to QB next year. Money and cap space always enters into an NFL business decision. Bottom line KC needs a very good starting QB when the offseason is done. IF the Chiefs already had a good starting QB, it gives them a lot more options with the 2009 draft.
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