Thoughts on Preseason Game #2

[petegz28]

No sense in waiting for this to end.

Break it down

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Coogs

I didn't say we did.

I'm just stating the facts, and I will sit back and wait for you to disprove this...

Not always... in either case... but more likely than not... when we throw more than we run with Matt Cassel, we lose. When we run the ball more, we win.

Facts are facts.

I will wait for your rebuttal to disprove this.

Weren't there more rushing attempts against the Rams than Cassel pass attempts?

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by jd1020

God you are dumb as hell. Warner wasn't the full time starter in Arizona until 08. already.

Check the stats from 05 on. Like I said, a minor Leinert hiccup.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Coogs ain't talkin about Baldwin he is talking about Cassel. Disprove it !

Did you know that on average when a team throws more than they run in a game lose the game?

Not sure if the dumb point, thats not really a point, is meant to be a shot at Cassel, but as was said earlier, Cassel was one of the positives from the Rams game.

Now, disprove that Jon Baldwin must not catch a pass or we lose.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Weren't there more rushing attempts against the Rams than Cassel pass attempts?

Not when Cassel was in. First half was 18 passes and 13 (?) rushes. (Not sure where sacks play into stats).

Pro-rated out, in a full game that is 36 passes and 26 runs. In the past, for the Chiefs that translates into a losss. For the elite QB's... not so much.

Again, this is not always the case. But it is the norm.

Cassel 3:16

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Not when Cassel was in. First half was 18 passes and 13 (?) rushes. (Not sure where sacks play into stats).

Pro-rated out, in a full game that is 36 passes and 26 runs. In the past, for the Chiefs that translates into a losss. For the elite QB's... not so much.

Again, this is not always the case. But it is the norm.

Cassel 3:16

How many passes resulted in first downs?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Proves my point that Fitz needed a top tier QB to make him better !!

You're a ****ing moron.

In Fitzgerald's second season, well before Warner became the starter, he caught 103 passes, the most in a single season for 1409 yards and established himself as one of the elite receivers in the league.

Just shut up, you dipshit.

You have never gotten a single ****ing thing right.

Ever.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by milkman

You're a ****ing moron.

In Fitzgerald's second season, well before Warner became the starter, he caught 103 passes, the most in a single season for 1409 yards and established himself as one of the elite receivers in the league.

Just shut up, you dipshit.

You have never gotten a single ****ing thing right.

Ever.

Fitzgerald has really missed Warner too. He just had, by far, one of his best seasons as a receiver last season averaging 17.6 ypc, compared to his previous best 14.9 with Warner in 08. One of his worst productive years came in 09, with Warner, when he averaged a measly 11.3 ypc, compared to his next worst 12.6 in 10.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Messier

I too have facts. Throw to Jon Baldwin but incomplete = win

Throw to Jon Baldwin complete but fumbles = lose.


Therefore, we must not complete passes to Jon Baldwin.

Disprove that.

Baldwin caught some balls in 2011. Throw in those stats to back up your hypothesis, and I will listen.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Messier

How many passes resulted in first downs?

Don't know. Don't care. 40+ games of stats to back up a fact.


It's kind of goes back to what everyone is/was blasting Clay about earlier in the thread. Checkdowns are not going to get it done.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Messier

Did you know that on average when a team throws more than they run in a game lose the game?

Why don't you look up some stats on some of the best teams in the league.

See how often they throw.

See how often they run.

Then get back to me.

Hint: they throw more than they run.

This isn't 1995.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Don't know. Don't care. 40+ games of stats to back up a fact.


It's kind of goes back to what everyone is/was blasting Clay about earlier in the thread. Checkdowns are not going to get it done.

Then you didn't your research on the subject an can be ignored.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Messier

Then you didn't your research on the subject an can be ignored.

Not sure what you mean?

I've done the research. I'm guessing at this point several have checked my research. No one has disputed it. Not even Poili.

[Chiefnj2]

Why are people arguing 2011 Matt Cassel on the 2012 game 2 thoughts thread?

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Why are people arguing 2011 Matt Cassel on the 2012 game 2 thoughts thread?

Who is doing that?

I'm arguing the 40+ starts in his Chiefs career Matt Cassel vs 2012.

Run more we probably win. Throw more, most likely we lose.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Not sure what you mean?

I've done the research. I'm guessing at this point several have checked my research. No one has disputed it. Not even Poili.

The reason the Chiefs lost the game was not because they threw more than than they ran. They lost because they got down early, and turnovers.

If anything Cassel kept them in the game by passing.