DV asking Gunther to revert to G Rob's schemes?

[shaneo69]

Q: Can you expound on what you meant when you said you’re putting them under too much pressure?

VERMEIL: “I already did. I already did. Tight bump-and-run man-to-man coverage when you’re out there on an island by yourself. You can win five or six times when they’re trying to go after you, but if you’re beaten one time and it’s six points that’s the one play you lost. I think we’ve got to look at ourselves and see how many times we did it last week. We got hurt in blitz coverages which normally you’re in tight man-to-man.

“Now there’s other approach that we’ve used here in the past: zone blitz pressures like we used in the second half. Drop a defensive lineman out, rush linebackers and play zone coverages which was a scheme we used here prior. We used some of it in the second half to take some of the pressure off of just one guy on one guy.”

Q: Did you tell Gunther Cunningham to scale it back a little bit?

VERMEIL: “No, I don’t interfere with him. I talk to the coaches on the field. I talk to Peter Giunta and I made a couple of suggestions. And, I talked to Vernon Dean, coaches who are on the field and involved in the perimeter scheme.”



Does this scare anyone else?

[Mr. Laz]

i otherwords our Cornerbacks suck too much for any scheme to be very successful



now where have i heard that before?

[Logical]

It scares me that DV does not go straight to the real problem, lack of talent. It also bothers me that he bypasses Gun and goes directly to the position coaches for changes, that is a recipe for disaster.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

It also bothers me that he bypasses Gun and goes directly to the position coaches for changes, that is a recipe for disaster.

Gunther would probally give him the Jake the Fake salute.

[Earthling]

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

It scares me that DV does not go straight to the real problem, lack of talent. It also bothers me that he bypasses Gun and goes directly to the position coaches for changes, that is a recipe for disaster.

Exactly my take as well...

[Rausch]

We don't have the players to run Gun's scheme. Big suprise.

Lets not change Gun, let's get him some players. Just a thought...

[KCJohnny]

Originally Posted by Rausch

We don't have the players to run Gun's scheme. Big suprise.

Lets not change Gun, let's get him some players. Just a thought...

Gun has proven himself on three different teams that he knows how to build a defense. Not even Buddy Ryan with his 46 defense could get a winning yield from this bunch. Or CB play is horrid. Our LBs can't tackle. Our pass rush is OK when augmented by blitzing LBs.

Guys, this defense allows 9.9 yards per play on first downs.



I will be the first to apologize to Robinson. Sorry, coach.

But hey! We have nice stats and....
..nevermind...

Not to be anal, but has anybody checked out Donnie "too expensive for the Chiefs" Edwards lately? Something like 32 tackles and 3 INTs the last two weeks. Do any of our ILBs have 32 tackles for the season?

[Hammock Parties]

If we start playing the spinner, our run D will revert to 2003 form.

[Mr. Laz]

our cornerbacks have been costing us defensively for years.


everyone thinks it was the loss of Derrick Thomas that killed our defense.


more likely it was the loss of James hasty and Dale Carter(pre-druggie)



last year Greg Robinson pulled back the safeties to give the corners help deep. Robinson also dropped the linebackers deep into pass zones to help the cornerbacks short.

that left our 4 defensive lineman pretty much all alone to stop the run and handle the screen passes.

so we couldn't stop the run


this year gunther is pressuring the line of scrimmage... having the linebackers help in the run defense and screen passes.

the safeties come up and blitz some... basically play like safeties are supposed to IMO.

this year we are better against the run, but completely suck against the pass.


no surprise ... Robinson did everything he could to protect our suck@ss cornerbacks, Gunther told them to suck it up and play.


they couldn't

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by lazarus

our cornerbacks have been costing us defensively for years.


everyone thinks it was the loss of Derrick Thomas that killed our defense.


more likely it was the loss of James hasty and Dale Carter(pre-druggie)



last year Greg Robinson pulled back the safeties to give the corners help deep. Robinson also dropped the linebackers deep into pass zones to help the cornerbacks short.

that left our 4 defensive lineman pretty much all alone to stop the run and handle the screen passes.

so we couldn't stop the run


this year gunther is pressuring the line of scrimmage... having the linebackers help in the run defense and screen passes.

the safeties come up and blitz some... basically play like safeties are supposed to IMO.

this year we are better against the run, but completely suck against the pass.


no surprise ... Robinson did everything he could to protect our suck@ss cornerbacks, Gunther told them to suck it up and play.


they couldn't

That sums it up nicely.

[Cannibal]

Originally Posted by lazarus

our cornerbacks have been costing us defensively for years.


everyone thinks it was the loss of Derrick Thomas that killed our defense.


more likely it was the loss of James hasty and Dale Carter(pre-druggie)



last year Greg Robinson pulled back the safeties to give the corners help deep. Robinson also dropped the linebackers deep into pass zones to help the cornerbacks short.

that left our 4 defensive lineman pretty much all alone to stop the run and handle the screen passes.

so we couldn't stop the run


this year gunther is pressuring the line of scrimmage... having the linebackers help in the run defense and screen passes.

the safeties come up and blitz some... basically play like safeties are supposed to IMO.

this year we are better against the run, but completely suck against the pass.


no surprise ... Robinson did everything he could to protect our suck@ss cornerbacks, Gunther told them to suck it up and play.


they couldn't

I think that about sums it up.

[6 Iron]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Guys, this defense allows 9.9 yards per play on first downs.

I heard that stat last night, but I believed they qualified it as the average of all first down pass plays. Not that it makes me feel that much better. Still, enjoyed the win.

[Warrior5]

Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Do any of our ILBs have 32 tackles for the season?

Closest is Fujita: 54 solo, 19 assists, 4.5 sacks.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Warrior5

Closest is Fujita: 54 solo, 19 assists, 4.5 sacks.

To be fair, Mitchell didn't start at middle linebacker until the 7th game of the season.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Originally Posted by Rausch

We don't have the players to run Gun's scheme. Big suprise.

Lets not change Gun, let's get him some players. Just a thought...

Amen, Brad.

We need talent bad (understatement).


Even if we had the talent to run an aggressive man-to-man defense, I think DV would still want Gun to back off a bit. I just think DV is a walking contradiction and is getting kind of wacko with old age. He's kind of liberal when it comes to offense, he wants to attack most of the time, but he's kind of like Marty a bit when it comes to 4th and 3 or 5, he gets conservative. On defense, he's totally conservative. Like I mentioned, he'd rather drop back into zone than go man-to-man, I think, no matter what, IMO. I just think the guy is kind of a nutcase when you break it down. His so-called philosophy when it comes to football has psychological mess written all over it. And FWIW, I think the whole team is soft because DV is soft. A team often plays to the personality of its coach.

Overall, I don't think he knows what he wants to do. That's why the team as a whole is inconsistent; that's why he's been inconsistent his 4 years here (mostly on D, but the O, IMO, is overrated).

Maybe the right players will change things, the type of players that have...um...what is it called?..yeah!,... talent. Or maybe not.