DV asking Gunther to revert to G Rob's schemes?

shaneo69 · 12-14-2004, 05:22 PM

Q: Can you expound on what you meant when you said you’re putting them under too much pressure?

VERMEIL: “I already did. I already did. Tight bump-and-run man-to-man coverage when you’re out there on an island by yourself. You can win five or six times when they’re trying to go after you, but if you’re beaten one time and it’s six points that’s the one play you lost. I think we’ve got to look at ourselves and see how many times we did it last week. We got hurt in blitz coverages which normally you’re in tight man-to-man.

“Now there’s other approach that we’ve used here in the past: zone blitz pressures like we used in the second half. Drop a defensive lineman out, rush linebackers and play zone coverages which was a scheme we used here prior. We used some of it in the second half to take some of the pressure off of just one guy on one guy.”

Q: Did you tell Gunther Cunningham to scale it back a little bit?

VERMEIL: “No, I don’t interfere with him. I talk to the coaches on the field. I talk to Peter Giunta and I made a couple of suggestions. And, I talked to Vernon Dean, coaches who are on the field and involved in the perimeter scheme.”

Does this scare anyone else?

Mr. Laz · 12-14-2004, 05:25 PM

i otherwords our Cornerbacks suck too much for any scheme to be very successful

now where have i heard that before?

Logical · 12-14-2004, 05:25 PM

It scares me that DV does not go straight to the real problem, lack of talent. It also bothers me that he bypasses Gun and goes directly to the position coaches for changes, that is a recipe for disaster.

**Rausch** · 12-14-2004, 05:26 PM

We don't have the players to run Gun's scheme. Big suprise.

Lets not change Gun, let's get him some players. Just a thought...

ChiefsCountry · 12-14-2004, 05:30 PM

Why in the hell does he talk to Peter Giunta? That guy is the worst defensive coach in history not named Greg Robinson.

ChiefsCountry · 12-14-2004, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

It also bothers me that he bypasses Gun and goes directly to the position coaches for changes, that is a recipe for disaster.

Gunther would probally give him the Jake the Fake salute.

NewChief · 12-14-2004, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Why in the hell does he talk to Peter Giunta? That guy is the worst defensive coach in history not named Greg Robinson.

Him and Petey are buddies back from their days with the Rams. The days when the organization made him fire Petey against his will for a sucky secondary, if I remember correctly. I know Peter got fired, not sure if it was under Dick or Martz, though.

That being said, Dick said he talks to the coaches on the field. Gun isn't on the field. Giunta is.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-14-2004, 05:38 PM

Vermeil goes to Guinta, who was the reason for the Rams 2000 collapse.

That's priceless.

That's like going to Jennifer Lopez and asking her what it takes to have a successful marriage.

Vermeil loves this razzle, dazzle, smoke and mirrors pussy defense.

Gun should tell him to F off.

KCJohnny · 12-14-2004, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

We don't have the players to run Gun's scheme. Big suprise.

Lets not change Gun, let's get him some players. Just a thought...

Gun has proven himself on three different teams that he knows how to build a defense. Not even Buddy Ryan with his 46 defense could get a winning yield from this bunch. Or CB play is horrid. Our LBs can't tackle. Our pass rush is OK when augmented by blitzing LBs.

Guys, this defense allows 9.9 yards per play on first downs.

I will be the first to apologize to Robinson.

Sorry, coach.

But hey! We have nice stats and....

..nevermind...

Not to be anal, but has anybody checked out Donnie "too expensive for the Chiefs" Edwards lately? Something like 32 tackles and 3 INTs the last two weeks. Do any of our ILBs have 32 tackles for the season?

Hammock Parties · 12-14-2004, 05:43 PM

If we start playing the spinner, our run D will revert to 2003 form.

Mr. Laz · 12-14-2004, 05:46 PM

our cornerbacks have been costing us defensively for years.

everyone thinks it was the loss of Derrick Thomas that killed our defense.

more likely it was the loss of James hasty and Dale Carter(pre-druggie)

last year Greg Robinson pulled back the safeties to give the corners help deep. Robinson also dropped the linebackers deep into pass zones to help the cornerbacks short.

that left our 4 defensive lineman pretty much all alone to stop the run and handle the screen passes.

so we couldn't stop the run

this year gunther is pressuring the line of scrimmage... having the linebackers help in the run defense and screen passes.

the safeties come up and blitz some... basically play like safeties are supposed to IMO.

this year we are better against the run, but completely suck against the pass.

no surprise ... Robinson did everything he could to protect our suck@ss cornerbacks, Gunther told them to suck it up and play.

they couldn't

6 Iron · 12-14-2004, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Guys, this defense allows 9.9 yards per play on first downs.

I heard that stat last night, but I believed they qualified it as the average of all first down pass plays. Not that it makes me feel that much better. Still, enjoyed the win.

KCJohnny · 12-14-2004, 05:53 PM

I think the decision to not sign Donnie Edwards was the fatal decision. He has 128 tackles this year so far. Fujita's our best guy with 73. Unfortunately, our CBs and safteys make most of the tackles because the other team is always in our secondary.
We are dead last in points allowed.
2nd to last in yds allowed (look out, Saints).

The '00 Chiefs defense looks like the '85 Bears compared to this bunch. Kudos to Dv for getting the NFL's 8th best offense ('00) all the way to #2. Shame on DV for driving the 18th best defense ('00)into the hall of shame.

Warrior5 · 12-14-2004, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

Do any of our ILBs have 32 tackles for the season?

Closest is Fujita: 54 solo, 19 assists, 4.5 sacks.

Hammock Parties · 12-14-2004, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Warrior5

Closest is Fujita: 54 solo, 19 assists, 4.5 sacks.

To be fair, Mitchell didn't start at middle linebacker until the 7th game of the season.

12-14-2004, 05:22 PM
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	DV asking Gunther to revert to G Rob's schemes? Q: Can you expound on what you meant when you said you’re putting them under too much pressure? VERMEIL: “I already did. I already did. Tight bump-and-run man-to-man coverage when you’re out there on an island by yourself. You can win five or six times when they’re trying to go after you, but if you’re beaten one time and it’s six points that’s the one play you lost. I think we’ve got to look at ourselves and see how many times we did it last week. We got hurt in blitz coverages which normally you’re in tight man-to-man. “Now there’s other approach that we’ve used here in the past: zone blitz pressures like we used in the second half. Drop a defensive lineman out, rush linebackers and play zone coverages which was a scheme we used here prior. We used some of it in the second half to take some of the pressure off of just one guy on one guy.” Q: Did you tell Gunther Cunningham to scale it back a little bit? VERMEIL: “No, I don’t interfere with him. I talk to the coaches on the field. I talk to Peter Giunta and I made a couple of suggestions. And, I talked to Vernon Dean, coaches who are on the field and involved in the perimeter scheme.” Does this scare anyone else?
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12-14-2004, 05:25 PM	#2
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	i otherwords our Cornerbacks suck too much for any scheme to be very successful now where have i heard that before? __________________
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Logical Screw U if U can't take a joke Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	It scares me that DV does not go straight to the real problem, lack of talent. It also bothers me that he bypasses Gun and goes directly to the position coaches for changes, that is a recipe for disaster.
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ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $2288752	Why in the hell does he talk to Peter Giunta? That guy is the worst defensive coach in history not named Greg Robinson.
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The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9373645	Vermeil goes to Guinta, who was the reason for the Rams 2000 collapse. That's priceless. That's like going to Jennifer Lopez and asking her what it takes to have a successful marriage. Vermeil loves this razzle, dazzle, smoke and mirrors pussy defense. Gun should tell him to F off. __________________
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12-14-2004, 05:43 PM	#10
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4680478	If we start playing the spinner, our run D will revert to 2003 form. __________________ Chiefs game films
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12-14-2004, 05:46 PM	#11
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	our cornerbacks have been costing us defensively for years. everyone thinks it was the loss of Derrick Thomas that killed our defense. more likely it was the loss of James hasty and Dale Carter(pre-druggie) last year Greg Robinson pulled back the safeties to give the corners help deep. Robinson also dropped the linebackers deep into pass zones to help the cornerbacks short. that left our 4 defensive lineman pretty much all alone to stop the run and handle the screen passes. so we couldn't stop the run this year gunther is pressuring the line of scrimmage... having the linebackers help in the run defense and screen passes. the safeties come up and blitz some... basically play like safeties are supposed to IMO. this year we are better against the run, but completely suck against the pass. no surprise ... Robinson did everything he could to protect our suck@ss cornerbacks, Gunther told them to suck it up and play. they couldn't __________________
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12-14-2004, 05:53 PM	#13
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	I think the decision to not sign Donnie Edwards was the fatal decision. He has 128 tackles this year so far. Fujita's our best guy with 73. Unfortunately, our CBs and safteys make most of the tackles because the other team is always in our secondary. We are dead last in points allowed. 2nd to last in yds allowed (look out, Saints). The '00 Chiefs defense looks like the '85 Bears compared to this bunch. Kudos to Dv for getting the NFL's 8th best offense ('00) all the way to #2. Shame on DV for driving the 18th best defense ('00)into the hall of shame. __________________
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