There needs to be a Pioli Zombie Invasion

[Fat Elvis]

Oh for the days of non-violent protests.

You know, Clark doesn't give a diddly about the fan. His money comes from TV revenues. Everyone knows it.

What happens if the fans disrupt the game--non-violently--with a Pioli Zombie Invasion before kickoff?

It is a Gandhi-esque tactic. Hit your oppressor in the pocket-book.

If you have several hundred or a couple thousand Pioli Zombies invade the field before kickoff, it stops the game--and the broadcast of the game. Have the zombies just lay on the field. Police would have to drag them off.

Do you think that is an image that the NFL wants to project to the rest of the world? A fun, family-friendly activity is turned into a police action? Not on your life.

Unfortunately, I don't think anyone really has the nads to do this.

It is the perfect metaphor, however, Clark and Pioli are killing this storied franchise and the "dead" (or undead) fans on the field are proof.

I hate to break it to you, but banners before a game aren't going to accomplish a single thing. If Clark isn't going to listen you , you have to make the message louder.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Here's the problem, Mr. Fax: You can't on one hand chastize Eric Winston for calling out 60-70K fans when only a few hundred or couple thousand fans cheered when Cassel went down/Quinn came in. You're boohooing the notion that the few represented the whole and then at the same time claim that 116 fans donating what amounts to a couple of beers and a hot dog at Arrowhead somehow represents the sentiments of the whole of Chiefs nation.

Sure some folks will wear black to the game, but guess what--it is the Raiders game. What do you think the perception will be? Hey, it looks like the Raiders fans came out in force today. That is what it will look like on TV, anyway. Do you think Clark will care one way or another?

In terms of the twitter thing, people may be upset with the management, but take a look at any other team fairing poorly: Fans go online and bitch about the team, the coach, and the management. It is nothing new. Online bitchfests don't constitute a movement.

Clark is first and foremost a dispassionate number cruncher--and right now, the true numbers aren't in the favor of folks who would like to believe that this is some sort of "movement." People would like to believe that it is a movement and somehow getting really red in the face and giving Pioli the stinkeye through their computer monitor is actually going to change things because of their emotional investment in the Chiefs.

Movements, however, are calculations. Calculations such as the number of people involved, calculations in how far the people involved are willing to go to affect change, calculations of the risk/reward in simply acknowledging the petitions of the people let alone cave in to their demands. If you are Clark Hunt, what do you think speaks louder- 31 fellow billionaires or 116 people who are literally tossing $28.95 in the air? Like it or not, the numbers just aren't adding up. Clark gets this-fans don't.

Great points, Mr. Fat Elvis.

I don't have time to respond to all your arguments right now, but I will later today because I'm very interested in this situation. It's a case study the likes of which we haven't seen in awhile and discussions like these are very useful in understanding the dynamics in play.

Meanwhile, I'll just say this; I honestly think you're slightly misreading the circumstances. In fact, I would probably tend to agree with you more completely if the Chiefs hadn't been making PR blunders by the basketful (for example, blocking hundreds of fans on that tweeter deal). There is anxiety behind the scenes at 1 Arrowhead Drive. Not only can I feel it in my gut, but there is evidence that has nothing whatsoever to do with ChiefsPlanet.

If the Chiefs weren't concerned, their responses to date would look very different. There's another factor, as well ... unusually, we have several writers involved ... Whitlock, Mellinger, Babb, etc. who are beating the drum with enthusiasm ... that's important to remember. We're not talking about an isolated, small group of disgruntled fans, here.

Anyhow, more later.

FAX

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Sure some folks will wear black to the game, but guess what--it is the Raiders game. What do you think the perception will be?

That there aren't very many Chiefs fans there.

And that perception would be correct.

If season ticket holders have paid good money and devoted time to plan family events and they can't enjoy them the least they can do is voice their displeasure.

They can make a statement...

[whoman69]

I still say the only way to hit them in the pocketbook is not to go. Set up your tailgates at a neutral location and skip the game in protest.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Here's the problem, Mr. Fax: You can't on one hand chastize Eric Winston for calling out 60-70K fans when only a few hundred or couple thousand fans cheered when Cassel went down/Quinn came in. You're boohooing the notion that the few represented the whole and then at the same time claim that 116 fans donating what amounts to a couple of beers and a hot dog at Arrowhead somehow represents the sentiments of the whole of Chiefs nation.

Sure some folks will wear black to the game, but guess what--it is the Raiders game. What do you think the perception will be? Hey, it looks like the Raiders fans came out in force today. That is what it will look like on TV, anyway. Do you think Clark will care one way or another?

In terms of the twitter thing, people may be upset with the management, but take a look at any other team fairing poorly: Fans go online and bitch about the team, the coach, and the management. It is nothing new. Online bitchfests don't constitute a movement.

Clark is first and foremost a dispassionate number cruncher--and right now, the true numbers aren't in the favor of folks who would like to believe that this is some sort of "movement." People would like to believe that it is a movement and somehow getting really red in the face and giving Pioli the stinkeye through their computer monitor is actually going to change things because of their emotional investment in the Chiefs.

Movements, however, are calculations. Calculations such as the number of people involved, calculations in how far the people involved are willing to go to affect change, calculations of the risk/reward in simply acknowledging the petitions of the people let alone cave in to their demands. If you are Clark Hunt, what do you think speaks louder- 31 fellow billionaires or 116 people who are literally tossing $28.95 in the air? Like it or not, the numbers just aren't adding up. Clark gets this-fans don't.

116 may have donated.....but SaveOurChiefs has over 70,000 twitter followers. It's not just 116 people who are behind this.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

116 may have donated.....but SaveOurChiefs has over 70,000 twitter followers. It's not just 116 people who are behind this.

70K twitter followers doesn't mean anything if they (or at least a significant portion of them) aren't willing to actually do something.....

[qabbaan]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Look, I'm not one to participate in a Pioli Zombie Invasion because I really don't care one way or another. I'm not going to spend any money to buy a ticket to go to the game.

"Look, I'm not going to do this, but I think some other people should do it."



This is something those Occupy or PETA morons would do.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Sure some folks will wear black to the game, but guess what--it is the Raiders game. What do you think the perception will be? Hey, it looks like the Raiders fans came out in force today. That is what it will look like on TV, anyway. Do you think Clark will care one way or another?

You might want to check the schedule.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

70K twitter followers doesn't mean anything if they (or at least a significant portion of them) aren't willing to actually do something.....

You should check out the dialogue taking place on that tweeter platform, Mr. Fat Elvis. This isn't a ChiefsPlanet-centric deal ... far from it.

There's plenty of pain and suffering to go around. And it's spread pretty evenly.

FAX

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by qabbaan

"Look, I'm not going to do this, but I think some other people should do it."



This is something those Occupy or PETA morons would do.

No. It's just that I really don't have any emotional or economic investment in the team. When you get down to it, my life isn't going to change one way or another depending on whether Scott Pioli is the GM of the Chiefs or not. If people really want change, they need to understand that sometimes certain methods (not necessarily a Zombie Invasion, but similar tactics) need to be used.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Dave

You might want to check the schedule.

Black and silver, black and orange... black and yellow hoodies. Big difference.

[Dayze]

all I know is, never bet on the white guy.

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Black and silver, black and orange... black and yellow hoodies. Big difference.

You do realize what you advocate is illegal, right?

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

No. It's just that I really don't have any emotional or economic investment in the team. When you get down to it, my life isn't going to change one way or another depending on whether Scott Pioli is the GM of the Chiefs or not. If people really want change, they need to understand that sometimes certain methods (not necessarily a Zombie Invasion, but similar tactics) need to be used.

I don't see why a Zombie Invasion is any better than a boycott. Plus, lighter prison sentences means more time can be spent with the family ... and a stable family structure is the bedrock of a culture.

FAX

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by FAX

I don't see why a Zombie Invasion is any better than a boycott. Plus, lighter prison sentences means more time can be spent with the family ... and a stable family structure is the bedrock of a culture.

FAX

There is a good chance nothing would come of it, The Chiefs can't risk losing every fan that buys tickets, who else would buy them? They do need us, because they make a lot more money with the stadium full than empty.