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Crush · 01-01-2013, 08:39 PM

I'm officially on board. Come on to KC, you big fat mustached Mormon. There is no deliverance in the desert. Who is with me?

Rasputin · 01-02-2013, 01:47 AM

Mostly by default for the lacking of better coaches available.

I think Reid can work out great if he picks Geno Smith and builds around that kid.

AussieChiefsFan · 01-02-2013, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Marty Mac Ver 2.0

Soooo anyone catch the twitter beef between LaCanfora and Pro Football Talk?

Was funny.

Exoter175 · 01-02-2013, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

First of all, the bold. Glennon maybe, no way Geno or Wilson are. As for the first question, you said you were cool with Glennon over them when you said you were OK taking a QB in the 2nd round.

Lets not forget that you said you like Ferentz, just not connected with Pioli. Lets add that to the list. As for the NFL not changing, you said to me in a previous post that it hasn't changed that much. We both know you did.

When did I outright state that "I am okay with taking Glennon", I'll wait for the quote, because it didn't happen lol.

What does me liking Ferentz have to do with anything with Glennon, Geno, or Lovie? I"m confused. You have a TERRIBLE way of approaching your point.

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Here they are.

Yeah, I have a major problem with your points here and it IS saying that you don't get how much it has changed.

Now yes, you did correctly point out that to have a team get into the playoffs consistently you need at top 10 QB. However, these top two quotes were in response to my point that only elite QBs make the SB now. So again, you don't seem to understand fully that the NFL now has changed a LOT since those days.

Um, you don't need an elite QB to get to the super bowl, then again, you and I probably differ in terms of elite. For me, Elite is Top 5. Eli Maning is not Elite, he has two rings playing against Tom Brady who is Elite.

My point is that the game hasn't changed enough so that it is impossible to win a super bowl without an Elite QB, it just happens less frequently. That is all I said, all I alluded to.

In years where a team is on fire and doesn't need a QB to necessarily win the games as much as they need them not to lose them, guys like Dilfer and Johnson win Super Bowl Rings.

Does that clarify things for you yet?

NJChiefsFan · 01-02-2013, 02:45 AM

Yes, our terms for elite do differ. Perhaps I should just say top 10 QB. Elite is a bit strong. When you say you would be cool with a 2nd round QB, you are saying you are cool with the guys left over. Barkley, Wilson, and Geno will not be there to pick from. You say in years where teams don't need their QB to win games but just not lose them, they don't exist anymore. If they did the Jets and 9ers might actually be SB champs. This again gives me the impression that you just don't understand how important the QB is now compared to 2002. You can't win 4 playoff games, or even 3, without your QB having to win you a game or two.

The Ferentz mention wasn't trying to take down your QB argument, it was just to show the list of things you have said that are crazy tonight.

Exoter175 · 01-02-2013, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Yes, our terms for elite do differ. Perhaps I should just say top 10 QB. Elite is a bit strong. When you say you would be cool with a 2nd round QB, you are saying you are cool with the guys left over. Barkley, Wilson, and Geno will not be there to pick from. You say in years where teams don't need their QB to win games but just not lose them, they don't exist anymore. If they did the Jets and 9ers might actually be SB champs. This again gives me the impression that you just don't understand how important the QB is now compared to 2002. You can't win 4 playoff games, or even 3, without your QB having to win you a game or two.

The Ferentz mention wasn't trying to take down your QB argument, it was just to show the list of things you have said that are crazy tonight.

The Ferentz bit isn't crazy at all.

There's a reason Ferentz has been mentioned year in and year out for the last decade, a reason he signed a 10 year extension loaded with incentives, and it isn't because he's an average Coach, its because he's top notch and everybody in the football world knows that, which is why every year this guy shoots down offers left and right for the NFL.

As for our Definitions and you thinking I'm lost and don't understand the "new" NFL, to me, Eli fits that mold. He's the reigning super bowl champ, so really, not much has changed here.

In fact, here's a recent list.

Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD

Only 4 of those guys are Top 5 QB's. Brady, Peyton, Brees, and Rodgers.

Irony that Brad Johnson is still on that list, yet we've somehow moved so far away from it? It really wasn't all that long ago when you think about it, and 1 or 2 years before that, Dilfer won it. So we haven't come nearly as far as you think.

**Dave Lane** · 01-02-2013, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

The Ferentz bit isn't crazy at all.

There's a reason Ferentz has been mentioned year in and year out for the last decade, a reason he signed a 10 year extension loaded with incentives, and it isn't because he's an average Coach, its because he's top notch and everybody in the football world knows that, which is why every year this guy shoots down offers left and right for the NFL.

As for our Definitions and you thinking I'm lost and don't understand the "new" NFL, to me, Eli fits that mold. He's the reigning super bowl champ, so really, not much has changed here.

In fact, here's a recent list.

Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD

Only 4 of those guys are Top 5 QB's. Brady, Peyton, Brees, and Rodgers.

Irony that Brad Johnson is still on that list, yet we've somehow moved so far away from it? It really wasn't all that long ago when you think about it, and 1 or 2 years before that, Dilfer won it. So we haven't come nearly as far as you think.

How many TDs did the middle linebackers score in those games?

Exoter175 · 01-02-2013, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

How many TDs did the middle linebackers score in those games?

I'm not 100% sure on this, but I'm going to suggest that the number is zero. I'm also going to guess that Quarterbacks made zero field goals in those games.

**Dylan** · 01-02-2013, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175

When did I outright state that "I am okay with taking Glennon", I'll wait for the quote, because it didn't happen lol.

What does me liking Ferentz have to do with anything with Glennon, Geno, or Lovie? I"m confused. You have a TERRIBLE way of approaching your point.

Um, you don't need an elite QB to get to the super bowl, then again, you and I probably differ in terms of elite. For me, Elite is Top 5. Eli Maning is not Elite, he has two rings playing against Tom Brady who is Elite.
My point is that the game hasn't changed enough so that it is impossible to win a super bowl without an Elite QB, it just happens less frequently. That is all I said, all I alluded to.

In years where a team is on fire and doesn't need a QB to necessarily win the games as much as they need them not to lose them, guys like Dilfer and Johnson win Super Bowl Rings.

Does that clarify things for you yet?

You make absolutely NO sense!

FWIW, I have no desire to correct this post.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-02-2013, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

You make absolutely NO sense!

FWIW, I have no desire to correct this post.

Hi Dylan. Would Reid be a good hire for us?

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-02-2013, 06:47 PM

I'm with ya....and

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Pasta Little Brioni · 01-02-2013, 06:48 PM

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Too fat/omaha

We'd instantly have the best coach in the divison.

**Easy 6** · 01-02-2013, 06:49 PM

I'm in.

SIGN CLARKS DEAL YOU BIG FAT ****

There, hopefully that helps...

**Dylan** · 01-02-2013, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Hi Dylan. Would Reid be a good hire for us?

Absolutely. Reid gives you credibility right away on offense... He is an amazing quarterbacks coach...

I think few people realize how many quarterbacks Reid coached up, going back to Favre.

One quarterback injured? No prob - Reid had the next ready the following game without spoiling his top ranked offenses throughout his career.

Quesadilla Joe · 01-02-2013, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

We'd instantly have the best coach in the divison.

I don't think that is true, and neither will you if Fox wins a Super Bowl this year.

Rasputin · 01-02-2013, 06:54 PM

I think if we hire Reid all of a sudden Geno Smith stock goes up with the pundits and compare him to Donavan McNabb.

I am on the bandwaggon to hire Reid for drafting Geno Smith. I have a harder time thinking anything else would work.

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NJChiefsFan I've Made a Huge Mistake Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NJ Casino cash: $5750423	Yes, our terms for elite do differ. Perhaps I should just say top 10 QB. Elite is a bit strong. When you say you would be cool with a 2nd round QB, you are saying you are cool with the guys left over. Barkley, Wilson, and Geno will not be there to pick from. You say in years where teams don't need their QB to win games but just not lose them, they don't exist anymore. If they did the Jets and 9ers might actually be SB champs. This again gives me the impression that you just don't understand how important the QB is now compared to 2002. You can't win 4 playoff games, or even 3, without your QB having to win you a game or two. The Ferentz mention wasn't trying to take down your QB argument, it was just to show the list of things you have said that are crazy tonight.
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Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $3315421	I think if we hire Reid all of a sudden Geno Smith stock goes up with the pundits and compare him to Donavan McNabb. I am on the bandwaggon to hire Reid for drafting Geno Smith. I have a harder time thinking anything else would work. __________________ A Brave Man Once Requested Me To Answer Questions That Are Key 'Is It To Be Or Not To Be' And I Replied Oh Why Ask Me
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