why all the fuss about Broderick Bunkley? - Page 2

KCfanfromNC · 03-24-2006, 06:19 PM

In my opinion, i don't understand why everyone is so high on drafting Broderick Bunkley. Alright, i understand that he is a monster with great athletic talents, blah blah blah. What everyone needs to understand is, is that Herm Edwards is a defensive guy and is undoubtedly going to have input into the defense. Herm has always ran the Tampa 2 defense, and now with him here, i see us drafting to mold that style of defense, which is fast linebackers, big physical corners and run stopping safties. The biggest thing in the Tampa 2 is pressure on the QB and pressure doesn't come from the interior line in this defense. it comes from the edge rushers and linebackers. DT's in this defense are mainly massive human beings, around 310-350 that just sit and take up the A gaps for run purposes and hold up lineman for blitz packages. All that being said, i dont think we need to spend a 1st rounder on a DT because all they have to do is be huge and take up 1 gap. There are fat DT's all over the NFL that can get the job done in that defense for a heck of a lot less than a 1st rounder. Gabe Watson would be much more suited, hopefully we can get him in the 2nd round. Anyways, thats my shpiel.

milkman · 03-24-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

No, the middle of the field is supposed to be covered by your backers.

Have you ever seen Derrick Brooks play? That's the objective of the LB in the cover 2 scheme.

Com'on HolmeZz, why are you debating with this guy.

I mean, every team in the league playing cover 2 is trying to emulate the Bucs, which uses quicker DTs, and good coverage LBs.

But this guy played LB in college, and certainly has to know what he's talking about, and the NFL teams are clueless.

HolmeZz · 03-24-2006, 07:58 PM

You realize the way you played your cover 2 is probably different than the Tampa 2 version?

KCfanfromNC · 03-24-2006, 08:02 PM

i played tampa 2, and sidewinder, i never said anything about not using good cover LB's, at no point did i say you use bad cover LB's? i just said that just because tampa bay doesn't use big DT's doesnt mean that thats the text book way for running it, calm down

milkman · 03-24-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KCfanfromNC

i played tampa 2, and sidewinder, i never said anything about not using good cover LB's, at no point did i say you use bad cover LB's? i just said that just because tampa bay doesn't use big DT's doesnt mean that thats the text book way for running it, calm down

I have three words for you.

Your and idiot.

HolmeZz · 03-24-2006, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KCfanfromNC

i played tampa 2, and sidewinder, i never said anything about not using good cover LB's, at no point did i say you use bad cover LB's? i just said that just because tampa bay doesn't use big DT's doesnt mean that thats the text book way for running it, calm down

The Tampa 2 version doesn't use big DTs. That's why it's their own version.

And I question your version of the cover 2 if you say your safeties need to be run stuffers. The reason WHY it's called a cover 2 is because you drop both your safeties deep into zone coverage.

KCfanfromNC · 03-24-2006, 08:06 PM

listen, im not tryin to step on your toes holmezz, i was fortunate and blessed enough to play D1 and i enjoyed the X's and O's of the game most of all and studying the game and defensive schemes, playing with small, quick DT's can be done in the Tampa 2 and it can be done successfully, just like in tampa bay and with the colts, all im sayin is, is that my preference is to have bigger DT's

KCfanfromNC · 03-24-2006, 08:08 PM

yeah, they do drop into deep coverage in passing situations, but on 1st and 2nd downs they have to be able to be run stoppers, use your example, the colts, look at bob sanders and mike doss, 2 great run stopping safeties in a tampa 2 defense

KCfanfromNC · 03-24-2006, 08:09 PM

sidewinder, you're not even in the conversation, do us a favor and beat it, obviously you have nothing to add to the what me and holmezz are talkin about so take a hike, and when you call someone an idiot, learn how to say it, it's 3 words, (you're an idiot) not your and idiot

milkman · 03-24-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KCfanfromNC

sidewinder, you're not even in the conversation, do us a favor and beat it, obviously you have nothing to add to the what me and holmezz are talkin about so take a hike, and when you call someone an idiot, learn how to say it, it's 3 words, (you're an idiot) not your and idiot

n00b.

You don't have a freakin' clue, do you?

KCfanfromNC · 03-24-2006, 08:25 PM

also holmezz, let me clarify alittle, when i say the weakness in a cover 2 is the middle of the field i dont mean the entire middle, i mean the middle behind the linebackers drop in between the 2 safeties, sorry if that confused you

KCfanfromNC · 03-24-2006, 08:28 PM

you're right sidewinder, i am new to this whole internet forum thing and i dont know a lot, i thought id come on here and talk alittle with people and have some conversations about football, but i do know this, i know more about football and the actual game beyond what you watch from your couch every sunday than you could dream

milkman · 03-24-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KCfanfromNC

you're right sidewinder, i am new to this whole internet forum thing and i dont know a lot, i thought id come on here and talk alittle with people and have some conversations about football, but i do know this, i know more about football and the actual game beyond what you watch from your couch every sunday than you could dream

I don't believe a word of it.

Of course, college grads nowadays can't spell, nor do they have a clue when it comes to sentence structure, especially student athletes.

So, I guess the possibility that you're telling the truth does exist.

KCfanfromNC · 03-24-2006, 08:45 PM

haha, i love guys like you sidewinder, when you were in college, you were one of the guys in stands, secretly wishing you could be on the field, but you probably dont have an athletic bone in your body, so you come on the internet chat forum and you're all of a sudden tommy tough nuts, hilarious

milkman · 03-24-2006, 08:50 PM

Tommy Toughnuts?

WTF is that.

I am a sarcastic asshole, both in life, and on the net.

It's gotten me in trouble a number of times on the job.

It got me into a boatload of trouble in the Navy.

Spicy McHaggis · 03-24-2006, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

Of course, college grads nowadays can't spell, nor do they have a clue when it comes to sentence structure, especially student athletes.

GASP!!! Are you saying that he played D1 ball at Miami?

03-24-2006, 06:19 PM
KCfanfromNC Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Casino cash: $10004900	why all the fuss about Broderick Bunkley? In my opinion, i don't understand why everyone is so high on drafting Broderick Bunkley. Alright, i understand that he is a monster with great athletic talents, blah blah blah. What everyone needs to understand is, is that Herm Edwards is a defensive guy and is undoubtedly going to have input into the defense. Herm has always ran the Tampa 2 defense, and now with him here, i see us drafting to mold that style of defense, which is fast linebackers, big physical corners and run stopping safties. The biggest thing in the Tampa 2 is pressure on the QB and pressure doesn't come from the interior line in this defense. it comes from the edge rushers and linebackers. DT's in this defense are mainly massive human beings, around 310-350 that just sit and take up the A gaps for run purposes and hold up lineman for blitz packages. All that being said, i dont think we need to spend a 1st rounder on a DT because all they have to do is be huge and take up 1 gap. There are fat DT's all over the NFL that can get the job done in that defense for a heck of a lot less than a 1st rounder. Gabe Watson would be much more suited, hopefully we can get him in the 2nd round. Anyways, thats my shpiel.
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03-24-2006, 07:58 PM	#17
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	You realize the way you played your cover 2 is probably different than the Tampa 2 version?
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03-24-2006, 08:02 PM	#18
KCfanfromNC Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Casino cash: $10004900	i played tampa 2, and sidewinder, i never said anything about not using good cover LB's, at no point did i say you use bad cover LB's? i just said that just because tampa bay doesn't use big DT's doesnt mean that thats the text book way for running it, calm down
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03-24-2006, 08:06 PM	#21
KCfanfromNC Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Casino cash: $10004900	listen, im not tryin to step on your toes holmezz, i was fortunate and blessed enough to play D1 and i enjoyed the X's and O's of the game most of all and studying the game and defensive schemes, playing with small, quick DT's can be done in the Tampa 2 and it can be done successfully, just like in tampa bay and with the colts, all im sayin is, is that my preference is to have bigger DT's
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03-24-2006, 08:08 PM	#22
KCfanfromNC Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Casino cash: $10004900	yeah, they do drop into deep coverage in passing situations, but on 1st and 2nd downs they have to be able to be run stoppers, use your example, the colts, look at bob sanders and mike doss, 2 great run stopping safeties in a tampa 2 defense
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03-24-2006, 08:09 PM	#23
KCfanfromNC Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Casino cash: $10004900	sidewinder, you're not even in the conversation, do us a favor and beat it, obviously you have nothing to add to the what me and holmezz are talkin about so take a hike, and when you call someone an idiot, learn how to say it, it's 3 words, (you're an idiot) not your and idiot Last edited by KCfanfromNC; 03-24-2006 at 08:18 PM..
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03-24-2006, 08:25 PM	#25
KCfanfromNC Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Casino cash: $10004900	also holmezz, let me clarify alittle, when i say the weakness in a cover 2 is the middle of the field i dont mean the entire middle, i mean the middle behind the linebackers drop in between the 2 safeties, sorry if that confused you
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03-24-2006, 08:28 PM	#26
KCfanfromNC Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Casino cash: $10004900	you're right sidewinder, i am new to this whole internet forum thing and i dont know a lot, i thought id come on here and talk alittle with people and have some conversations about football, but i do know this, i know more about football and the actual game beyond what you watch from your couch every sunday than you could dream
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03-24-2006, 08:45 PM	#28
KCfanfromNC Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Casino cash: $10004900	haha, i love guys like you sidewinder, when you were in college, you were one of the guys in stands, secretly wishing you could be on the field, but you probably dont have an athletic bone in your body, so you come on the internet chat forum and you're all of a sudden tommy tough nuts, hilarious
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03-24-2006, 08:50 PM	#29
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Tommy Toughnuts? WTF is that. I am a sarcastic asshole, both in life, and on the net. It's gotten me in trouble a number of times on the job. It got me into a boatload of trouble in the Navy. __________________
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