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Old 01-11-2012, 04:54 AM  
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drafting Trent Richardson
just saw the 2nd different mock that has us taking T-Rich 2.0 w/our 1st pick. I'm not opposed to it since no all-world DT is available this year. Here's the write up from Foxsports:

11. Kansas City Chiefs*: Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama: The Chiefs lost Jamaal Charles in the second week of the 2011 NFL season, and the offense never rebounded. Charles should be back and healthy next season, but Richardson is the rare running back talent who can completely change an offense. The way this mock draft has unfolded, he’ll be slipping out of the Top 10 — something few scouts or experts expect. A different type of back from Charles, the two could work together to form a dynamic duo in the Kansas City backfield. Though Charles signed a five-year, $32 million extension in 2010, he’s not making the Adrian Peterson/Chris Johnson money you might expect. Richardson, a between-the-tackles grinder, is viewed as a much better pro prospect than his former teammate, Mark Ingram. In the rough-and-tumble AFC West, I love the thought of a Charles-Richardson platoon.
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:16 PM   #151
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If we intend to give Stanzi a LEGITIMATE shot at the starting job next year, draft Trent Richardson and don't look back.
THAT is a good statement!
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:17 PM   #152
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It's a possibility. Wasn't Mark Ingram the guy the Chiefs were discussing drafting to replace Thomas Jones last year according to the book "War Room"? The organization is on the lookout for a guy like Richardson. It'll come down to who we can get in free agency and how the draft board breaks down, but I could see it...
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:19 PM   #153
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I am not against drafting him but we would need a OC that could figure out to use him Charles and the midget. KC needs something besides one touch and down Battle. I haven't looked to see who is available in FA yet so this may not even a option come draft day. KC needs to go with the BFA on their draft board with the pick.
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:20 PM   #154
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Alright. I'll try to make my final statement on this issue.

If Cassel is kept and no HB is signed, then Draft Richardson, QB in the second, RT in the 3rd

If Orton is kept and no HB is signed, then draft Richardson, QB in the second, RT in the third.

If Manning is signed, then unquestionably draft Richardson, RT or QB in the second.

If Orton or Cassel are the QB's going into the year and a RB is signed, then draft the top OL available in the 1st.


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Old 01-11-2012, 02:21 PM   #155
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Because Lamar, Err, Carl, err Marty, err, Gunther, err, Dick, err Herm, YEAH Herm!!! will demand it!!!!
When they've been doing the same things over and over since I was a child, and they haven't won a playoff game since I was in college, they're going to have to SHOW me they can do it differently before I'll jump out on a limb and believe.
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:22 PM   #156
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You want I should list our first round OT/Gs and DEs?
Those aren't skill players.
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If Cassel is kept and no HB is signed, then Draft Richardson, QB in the second, RT in the 3rd
To me, this is a recipe for 3-5 more years of Cassel rather than 1.

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If Orton is kept and no HB is signed, then draft Richardson, QB in the second, RT in the third.
And again, this looks like a recipe for giving Orton a 6-year deal instead of trying to pair Richardson with a REAL QB.

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If Manning is signed, then unquestionably draft Richardson, RT or QB in the second.
This I absolutely agree with.
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To me, this is a recipe for 3-5 more years of Cassel rather than 1.



And again, this looks like a recipe for giving Orton a 6-year deal instead of trying to pair Richardson with a REAL QB.



This I absolutely agree with.
What if the Chiefs drafted Richardson and then traded up into the 1st for a guy like Tannehill?

How would you feel about Richardson then?
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:32 PM   #159
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Those aren't skill players.
First off, I owe you an apology on the 'too many overs' forgot about Harvey Williams.

But from there, I'm confused.

Yes, 1st round QBs have been a problem. But skill players have been on par with the league norm. Bowe and Gonzalez beast. In the time in between we had few prime picks, Johnson and Williams gave decent output for a period. Greg Hill was a decent runner who was runntofft by Marty's pecker, and looked to flourish in StL until he broke his leg. SlyMo was a tragedy of injury who showed promise as well.

Prior to Marty they were a drafting shithouse for 2 decades straight.

But your response to 'they're too conservative wrt skill positions' is to forego an elite skill player in favor of a guard?

And FTR: if they get a reasonable offer to trade up to RGIII territory and reply "nope, we got our RB in our sights' or likewise decline a place at the table in the Manning sweepstakes. That's an entirely different matter. I'm talking about what they do, after trying everything in their power to maneuver for maximum draft/FA payoff, and are sitting there with the draft slip faced with RG or RB.

You are conflating situational draft strategy and the addressing QB situation, when they are compartmentalized issues.
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What if the Chiefs drafted Richardson and then traded up into the 1st for a guy like Tannehill?

How would you feel about Richardson then?
Much better.

I'm really ONLY concerned about drafting Richardson if we go into next season with Cassel or Orton. Those guys NEED to be 1-year band aids.

My fear is that a guy like Richardson makes them 5-year band aids.
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First off, I owe you an apology on the 'too many overs' forgot about Harvey Williams.


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Yes, 1st round QBs have been a problem. But skill players have been on par with the league norm. Bowe and Gonzalez beast.
Bowe has, admittedly, turned into a damn fine receiver. But he was drafted because he could block according to the coach at the time.

Now Gonzales is precisely the kind of move I'm talking about. They traded up to get the greated TE in the HISTORY OF THE GAME. He's an offensive focal point. And he's NEVER WON A PLAYOFF GAME.

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But your response to 'they're too conservative wrt skill positions' is to forego an elite skill player in favor of a guard?
If said elite skill player is going to pigeon-hole them into an outdated and ultimately unsuccessful overall offensive philosophy? 100% absolutely yes.
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Much better.

I'm really ONLY concerned about drafting Richardson if we go into next season with Cassel or Orton. Those guys NEED to be 1-year band aids.

My fear is that a guy like Richardson makes them 5-year band aids.
Finally something we can agree on.
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Not gonna argue on Cassel. I already live my life like he's gone, b/c if he's on the roster the Chiefs don't exist for me except as an abstraction like the Hobbits of the Shire.

But supposed Orton plays next year with JC and TR at RB, flashes brilliance on many occasions, works himself into top 10-12 rated QBs, goes 11-5 or 12-4, hosts a playoff game winning one, maybe two, and otherwise doesn't exhibit signs of being an albatross, is he still a one-year stopgap?
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Finally something we can agree on.
I don't think we actually disagree.

I think my concern is a fringe one, fueled by years of Chiefs-related disappointment.

It's not a rational thing by any means, although I certainly believe that my argument has logical merit.
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Not gonna argue on Cassel. I already live my life like he's gone, b/c if he's on the roster the Chiefs don't exist for me except as an abstraction like the Hobbits of the Shire.

But supposed Orton plays next year with JC and TR at RB, flashes brilliance on many occasions, works himself into top 10-12 rated QBs, goes 11-5 or 12-4, hosts a playoff game winning one, maybe two, and otherwise doesn't exhibit signs of being an albatross, is he still a one-year stopgap?
Damn...



Of course not!
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