Rank the Chiefs 2014 draft needs

[Nightfyre]

Mine:

QB - Obviously.

OLB - Hali won't play forever and we need to be ready for that contingency. I keep anticipating his fall from glory and he keeps being a monster.

RB - I wouldn't count on Charles being the man next year, after the punishment he has taken this year. I was never really high on Knile Davis, and he still has ball security issues that plagued him at Arkansas.

WR - Obviously, receivers aren't getting sufficient separation for our current QB. If we get a new QB, he will need a second option.

DL - Jackson/Devito are adequate but Jackson is on a one year deal. Catapano is looking promising, but we still lack depth.

OL - I don't think personnel is the issue here, but something CLEARLY has to change to make it work.

ILB - DJ isn't getting any younger and we would be a hurting unit if he were injured. Jordan is on a one-year deal. I do love what Nico brings to the table, but he really doesn't fill DJ's role.

CB - We need someone to replace Dunta next year

S - Well, I can't complain about this position, but it had to get in here somehow. I hope we re-sign Abdullah and Demps, though.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I hope you realize that we can upgrade the QB position and it will make everyone else better.

You do realize that all of these players looked significantly worse without peyton manning at the helm, right? He helps by ensuring the offense gets more reps and makes the most of the reps they get. Further, he makes all of the calls at the line in terms of protection and changes the play based on his ability to read a defense.

I don't think that Welker, Decker and Thomas look any different. And their offensive line was good before Manning got there.

Sorry, but "significantly worse" isn't correct.

However, I do agree with you that by upgrading the QB position you can make the team better. The 2013 Chiefs much of the same players on it's starting roster as the 2014 roster, including Pro-Bowlers Charles, Houston, Hali, Johnson, Colquitt, Berry and guys like Flowers, Bowe, Poe, et al., but they were 2-14.

We upgrade the QB position from Matt Cassel to Alex Smith, and BINGO! 6-0 right out of the gate.

So, yes, by upgrading the QB position, the Chiefs are now only one of two undefeated teams in the NFL six weeks into the 2013 regular season.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I don't think that Welker, Decker and Thomas look any different. And their offensive line was good before Manning got there.

Sorry, but "significantly worse" isn't correct.

However, I do agree with you that by upgrading the QB position you can make the team better. The 2013 Chiefs much of the same players on it's starting roster as the 2014 roster, including Pro-Bowlers Charles, Houston, Hali, Johnson, Colquitt, Berry and guys like Flowers, Bowe, Poe, et al., but they were 2-14.

We upgrade the QB position from Matt Cassel to Alex Smith, and BINGO! 6-0 right out of the gate.

So, yes, by upgrading the QB position, the Chiefs are now only one of two undefeated teams in the NFL six weeks into the 2013 regular season.

Wow. So now you are completely attributing the increase in productivity to Alex Smith, when the offense is in fact, on par with last year, rather than the ascension of the defense? Your logical incongruencies know no bounds. Further, your inability to acknowledge that Denver's receivers and offensive line are far better than they were without Manning is intellectually dishonest. You are not being rational here, Sac.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You dudes are ****ing nuts.

They ain't looking at a QB no how, no way.

Smith is five years minimum. Reid and Dorsey love the guy and he's a solid player at the position. (e.g., You know what the difference between the 6-0 Chiefs and 2-4 Texans is? Interceptions. Smith doesn't throw them.)

Favre was still ****ing Favre when they drafted Rodgers...

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Wow. So now you are completely attributing the increase in productivity to Alex Smith, when the offense is in fact, on par with last year, rather than the ascension of the defense? Your logical incongruencies know no bounds. Further, your inability to acknowledge that Denver's receivers and offensive line are far better than they were without Manning is intellectually dishonest. You are not being rational here, Sac.

Welker is Welker. He is The Natural and has put up similar numbers since he became a starter in New England in 2007.

Decker and Thomas were playing under Tebow/Orton and of course those guys aren't Manning, but Thomas actually averaged better ypc in 2011 than he is now and was a first round pick for a reason. Decker is the same thing. His 2011 season with Tebow/Orton was better from a production standpoint than what you are seeing under Manning. The addition of Welker made this the best WR corps in the NFL and it doesn't matter if it is Manning making the throws or Tebow - these guys have produced regardless.

LG Zane Beadles was named to the All-Rookie team in 2010 and has been performing at a Pro-Bowl level since then. (Chiefs really should have drafted him over McCluster that year - as I clamored for prior to that draft.) Luis Vasquez has been a day one starter since entering the league in 2009 and was very productive for San Diego and continued that at Denver. Orlando Franklin was also a Day One starter at RT when he was drafted in 2011. If Koppen and Clady weren't injured and in the lineup, I'd suggest that it would be the best offensive line in the NFL regardless of Manning's presence.

What you see in Denver is the exact opposite that you see in Kansas City. While the Chiefs were spending all of their high round selections on the defensive side of the ball the last couple of years, the Broncos were spending them on the offensive side of the ball. As such, what you see is what you get - the Chiefs are dominating on defense and the Broncos are dominating on offense. And you can see that in the two QB's that each team has. Manning sets up that offense, and Smith allows the defense to be the aggressive, attacking unit that you see each Sunday by not giving the ball over to the other defense on a short field and by winning the field position battle.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Favre was still ****ing Favre when they drafted Rodgers...

And?

Rogers had mechanical issues that they were willing to sit and work on for four full seasons before they made the switch.

Not so completely different from Bray other than when each player was selected/not selected in the draft. And I'd argue that it was Bray's maturity issues that dropped him versus anything. The guy had first round size and arm strength, but no one wants another Ryan Leaf.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

And?

Rogers had mechanical issues that they were willing to sit and work on for four full seasons before they made the switch.

Not so completely different from Bray other than when each player was selected/not selected in the draft. And I'd argue that it was Bray's maturity issues that dropped him versus anything. The guy had first round size and arm strength, but no one wants another Ryan Leaf.

He also had absolutely terrible game play for the most part, poor ball placement, as well as other football related issues.

[the Talking Can]

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WR/TE (i'd trade kelce and davis for keenan allen)
LB (either DJ's eventual replacement, or a pass rusher to groom behind Houston/Hali..LB core is our strength, let's keep it that way...plus - no jinx - we've been very fortunate on the injury front here)
RB (need someone who can credibly relieve Charles)
Safety
OL (sigh)

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

1. QB /Johnny Manziel
2. QB / Johnny Football
3. QB / Texas A & M's QB
4. QB / Johnny ****ing Manziel

This year IS THE PERFECT YEAR for us to take a QB early.

Give him a year under Contract Year Alex Smith.

If Smith flourishes, keep him on a while longer. If not, give the new kid a start.

Other than that, we'll need to invest at WR and OL, assuming we keep Jackson.

I agree 100 %

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You dudes are ****ing nuts.

They ain't looking at a QB no how, no way.

Smith is five years minimum. Reid and Dorsey love the guy and he's a solid player at the position. (e.g., You know what the difference between the 6-0 Chiefs and 2-4 Texans is? Interceptions. Smith doesn't throw them.)

Bray is the guy that you all want them to sign - big arm, physical attributes, etc. He needs to be coached but he's exactly what all of you want in a prospect QB, and guess what? They signed that guy.

Herp derp.

You guys have to let it go. There is a little thing called reality that you should really think about embracing.

No ****ing way Smith is 5 years with the way he's been playing lately. I'd think 2 maybe 3 max

[crossbow]

What's all this reckless talk about KC drafting a QB? Unless he can play offensive or defensive tackle it is not going to happen. Every year people propose these creative but wishful ideas that go against 40 years of Chiefs history. And then they wonder why they get disappointed.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by crossbow

What's all this reckless talk about my mom sleeping with a QB? Unless he can play offensive or defensive tackle it is not going to happen. Every year people propose these creative but wishful ideas that go against 40 years of my mom's history. And then they wonder why I get disappointed.

FYP.

[Tribal Warfare]

QB, WR, TE, OL, FS

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Mine:

QB - Obviously.

OLB - Hali won't play forever and we need to be ready for that contingency. I keep anticipating his fall from glory and he keeps being a monster.

RB - I wouldn't count on Charles being the man next year, after the punishment he has taken this year. I was never really high on Knile Davis, and he still has ball security issues that plagued him at Arkansas.

WR - Obviously, receivers aren't getting sufficient separation for our current QB. If we get a new QB, he will need a second option.

DL - Jackson/Devito are adequate but Jackson is on a one year deal. Catapano is looking promising, but we still lack depth.

OL - I don't think personnel is the issue here, but something CLEARLY has to change to make it work.

ILB - DJ isn't getting any younger and we would be a hurting unit if he were injured. Jordan is on a one-year deal. I do love what Nico brings to the table, but he really doesn't fill DJ's role.

CB - We need someone to replace Dunta next year

S - Well, I can't complain about this position, but it had to get in here somehow. I hope we re-sign Abdullah and Demps, though.

All that "thought" and you left TE off your list. LOL!

[Nightfyre]

I did omit TE. My bad g-monies. Not that we really need another TE. We have Fasano, Kelce and McGrath.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I did omit TE. My bad g-monies. Not that we really need another TE. We have Fasano, Kelce and McGrath.

outside of McGrath all were Moeakied, thus the need is there