Chiefs Whitlock thinks RG3's speed is a curse - Page 9

Hammock Parties · 03-01-2012, 04:46 AM

Excellent article.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/R...nalysis-022712

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My professors at Ball State warned me that my good looks, perfectly sculpted body and high intellect might impede my career as a journalist. They feared my seemingly endless physical and intellectual gifts would prevent me from developing a singular focus.

I have similar fears when assessing Robert Griffin III’s NFL prospects. Abundant talent can be a curse.

The biggest news of the NFL Combine was RG3’s blazing 40-yard dash time. He covered 40 yards like a shutdown corner, clocking a 4.41. The instant-Twitter analysis of NFL experts was that Griffin’s show of speed increased the value of the Rams’ pick, the one right after the pick the Colts are expected to use on Stanford QB Andrew Luck.

In my opinion, Griffin’s speed doesn’t enhance his draft stock. It damages it.

I am not a Robert Griffin hater. I love RG3. In all likelihood, he will be my favorite NFL player next season. He could quickly become my favorite active athlete, ahead of Tiger Woods, Ray Lewis and Jeff George (has yet to file his retirement paperwork).

But I’m worried about Griffin. He’s blessed with too many tools. Oftentimes, the greatest athletes are physically limited, which strengthens their focus. Bill Russell could never match Wilt Chamberlain’s size and limitless athleticism. Larry Bird and Magic Johnson weren’t the greatest leapers or the quickest on their feet.

Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are relatively immobile. They play from the pocket because they have no choice. They mastered the art of playing from the pocket because they had no other choice.

NFL games are won most consistently by quarterbacks who play from the pocket. If a quarterback leaves the pocket, he’s going to get hit. If a quarterback gets hit regularly, he’s going to get hurt. If a franchise quarterback gets injured, his team has little chance of winning the Super Bowl.

NFL teams are looking for the next Manning or Brady. Or the next Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roethlisberger. A little mobility is good, especially if the quarterback moves in the pocket in an effort to throw downfield. Rodgers and Big Ben are terrific at moving to throw. Is that how Griffin will use his athleticism?

Or does Griffin have so much speed that he’ll channel Michael Vick?

Vick had too much talent early in his career. The game was too easy. The temptation to fix problems with his feet was too great for him to master QB play from the pocket. He’s just now attempting to play the game from the pocket. Even now, he gives in to his blazing speed and exits the pocket prematurely.

OK, we know RG3 is vastly different from the young Michael Vick. But it took Donovan McNabb a few years to commit to pocket play. Steve Young had to sit behind Joe Montana in San Francisco to learn to fully appreciate the pocket.

NFL fans are going to want to see Griffin run. When you’re faster than everyone on the field, it makes sense to run. Griffin is going to be fighting common sense and his natural instincts.

And what if he gets paired with the wrong head coach, a coach who is looking for a quick-fix rather than Griffin’s long-term success?

There is talk that the Redskins might want to move up in the draft to get RG3. Mike Shanahan is under pressure in Washington. He needs to win right away to ease the public pressure and prevent Daniel Snyder from firing him. Shanahan could play Griffin as a rookie and allow him to run because his legs might produce eight or nine victories quicker than his arm.

All coaches prefer to win now. It’s the only way to guarantee another season. Is there a proven, confident coach in a stable organization willing to properly support Griffin’s development?

Environment and fit are the keys to Griffin’s success. That’s why Luck is the better prospect. Luck is extremely gifted, but he won’t be tempted to outrun James Harrison or Terrell Suggs. The only way for Luck to consistently avoid big hits will be with quick reads and a quicker release. He’ll be forced to play QB the “right” way.

That is not to say Luck will be a better NFL quarterback than Griffin. My money is on Griffin being the second coming of Steve Young. But I’m just a fan. It won’t be my job to teach him to shy away from his God-given talent.

keg in kc · 03-01-2012, 07:14 PM

Good ol' Tardian.

TheGuardian · 03-01-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

If this thread is one giant troll job by you, then good for you. You got me.

If you're actually serious about the shit you've been writing about RGIII and running QBs, then you're a goddamn reerun, and Jesus hates you.

Everything I wrote is backed by super bowl wins and history you ****ing pussy.

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Good ol' Tardian.

Right. I got called this last year about the Clausen shit too.

How'd that pan out?

Kthanks

**The Franchise** · 03-01-2012, 07:44 PM

Wow.....you're really amazing. You claimed one player was going to suck. Good job bro. You should work for ESPN.

Chief_For_Life58 · 03-01-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Everything I wrote is backed by super bowl wins and history you ****ing pussy.

Ok we all agree that running qbs dont win superbowls. The difference is that Robert is not a "running" qb. Yes he ran in college because he could. But this kid can straight up sling it. Hes got the arm. He can make all the anticipation throws
I was at the CU Baylor game about 2 years ago. He threw for like 400 yards and you know who the corners were for CU that year? jimmy smith (ravens) and a soon to be baller nfl corner with the kc Chiefs, Jalil Brown. rg3 was throwing bubble screens and bombs all day.
Robert can only be compared to newton in the league imo. Newton is the only guy who can chunk it and run when needed. RG3 isnt stupid. Infact hes probably smarter then 95% of this board. He knows you win with your arm first, second, and third in most cases. Hes going to be a good nfl quarterback. Now is it worth what we have to give up to get him? Im not sure.
Still dont think theres anyway we get him. The redskins are going to outbid us and with them having the 6th and as well the browns having the 4th.
I think Manning is the better choice at this point. Lets face it. We need to win NOW. 3 years from might be too late. Draft a qb, resign orton and sign manning to a couple years. Drinks are on me when manning and eric are holding up the lombardi parading down ward parkway

**RealSNR** · 03-01-2012, 08:49 PM

I should have known when you let me troll you in the Laron Landry thread.

You really are that ****ing dumb.

**hometeam** · 03-01-2012, 08:50 PM

I havent read all the responses in this thread.

But its easy to sum up.

Whitlock is a ****ing idiot.

**RealSNR** · 03-01-2012, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58

Ok we all agree that running qbs dont win superbowls. The difference is that Robert is not a "running" qb. Yes he ran in college because he could. But this kid can straight up sling it. Hes got the arm. He can make all the anticipation throws
I was at the CU Baylor game about 2 years ago. He threw for like 400 yards and you know who the corners were for CU that year? jimmy smith (ravens) and a soon to be baller nfl corner with the kc Chiefs, Jalil Brown. rg3 was throwing bubble screens and bombs all day.
Robert can only be compared to newton in the league imo. Newton is the only guy who can chunk it and run when needed. RG3 isnt stupid. Infact hes probably smarter then 95% of this board. He knows you win with your arm first, second, and third in most cases. Hes going to be a good nfl quarterback. Now is it worth what we have to give up to get him? Im not sure.
Still dont think theres anyway we get him. The redskins are going to outbid us and with them having the 6th and as well the browns having the 4th.
I think Manning is the better choice at this point. Lets face it. We need to win NOW. 3 years from might be too late. Draft a qb, resign orton and sign manning to a couple years. Drinks are on me when manning and eric are holding up the lombardi parading down ward parkway

Don't bother. His brain doesn't do well with multi-faceted concepts.

TheGuardian · 03-01-2012, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Don't bother. His brain doesn't do well with multi-faceted concepts.

You're trying to make this shit that deep of a discussion?

My track record here on players is proven. I don't miss much. Again, you can insult me all you want, but it's fact.

Again, you guys were the bitches giving each other double dutch rudders over Jimmy Clausen. This is just another case of it.

**The Franchise** · 03-01-2012, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

You're trying to make this shit that deep of a discussion?

My track record here on players is proven. I don't miss much. Again, you can insult me all you want, but it's fact.

Again, you guys were the bitches giving each other double dutch rudders over Jimmy Clausen. This is just another case of it.

Show me your posts that prove your track record. The only thing you're harping on is Clausen.

**RealSNR** · 03-01-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

You're trying to make this shit that deep of a discussion?

My track record here on players is proven. I don't miss much. Again, you can insult me all you want, but it's fact.

Again, you guys were the bitches giving each other double dutch rudders over Jimmy Clausen. This is just another case of it.

I normally think you're a knowledgeable poster when it comes to football, so I'm having trouble figuring out why you're falling into the trap of, "QB HAS ATHLETIC ABILITY = KORDELL STEWART = NO WORKY"

Do you deny that RGIII's skills as a passer (as evidenced by his games at Baylor this year) aren't good enough for the pros just because he did what his coaches told him to do, which was make plays with his feet because he could? That really is a horrendously narrow definition of what a player can do.

The only point you might have is the spread offense thing. But again, I never saw you berating Sam Bradford in 2010 because of the offense he ran. I never saw you do that with Blaine Gabbert or Colt McCoy. Do those guys suck because they ran a spread offense in college and are being asked to do things in the pros they can't?

Your definition of RGIII = KORDELL STEWART makes you look like you've never watched a single ****ing game of his this season. You're also pretty much saying that because he used his feet as much as he did in college, it's impossible for him to make the transition that Donovan McNabb did, and that he'll never become a great QB because coaches are going to use him the same way they did in college.

That's just ****ing moronic. That's why I'm calling you a reerun, and why it doesn't mean shit if you called Jimmy Clausen. Hell, I don't give a flying **** if you predicted the coming of Kurt Warner and Tom Brady. Right now in this discussion you're being an obtuse reerun.

TheGuardian · 03-01-2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I normally think you're a knowledgeable poster when it comes to football, so I'm having trouble figuring out why you're falling into the trap of, "QB HAS ATHLETIC ABILITY = KORDELL STEWART = NO WORKY"

Do you deny that RGIII's skills as a passer (as evidenced by his games at Baylor this year) aren't good enough for the pros just because he did what his coaches told him to do, which was make plays with his feet because he could? That really is a horrendously narrow definition of what a player can do.

The only point you might have is the spread offense thing. But again, I never saw you berating Sam Bradford in 2010 because of the offense he ran. I never saw you do that with Blaine Gabbert or Colt McCoy. Do those guys suck because they ran a spread offense in college and are being asked to do things in the pros they can't?

Your definition of RGIII = KORDELL STEWART makes you look like you've never watched a single ****ing game of his this season. You're also pretty much saying that because he used his feet as much as he did in college, it's impossible for him to make the transition that Donovan McNabb did, and that he'll never become a great QB because coaches are going to use him the same way they did in college.

That's just ****ing moronic. That's why I'm calling you a reerun, and why it doesn't mean shit if you called Jimmy Clausen. Hell, I don't give a flying **** if you predicted the coming of Kurt Warner and Tom Brady. Right now in this discussion you're being an obtuse reerun.

I didn't like Bradford either dawg.

My knock on McCoy was his toughness.

I haven't said that RGIII is going to be a bust, I just don't think with those knocks (perceived or real) that he's some sure bet.

If we were talking about trading up for Luck, I'd be all for it.

Consistent1 · 03-01-2012, 09:52 PM

I think if you give Griffin a good line that he is intelligent and skilled enough to not want to take a Tebow type beating. He knows he isn't some gigantic fugga like Newton and will want to keep himself healthy. You could still run a few option type plays every once in awhile with him. Just a couple a game without some give it away formation. He should be a good quarterback and not stupid enough to go early days of Vick. Chiefs aren't going to get him though.

WhiteWhale · 03-01-2012, 10:55 PM

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Yeah....and we all know how much Todd McShay loved Jimmy Clausen before the draft. Way to find the one guy who ****ing hated Clausen.

Apparently there were also 32 GM's that didn't think he was all that fantastic either.

Fans and media over-rated Clausen. Teams knew better.

Setsuna · 03-02-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

I didn't like Bradford either dawg.

My knock on McCoy was his toughness.

I haven't said that RGIII is going to be a bust, I just don't think with those knocks (perceived or real) that he's some sure bet.

If we were talking about trading up for Luck, I'd be all for it.

NO ONE is a sure bet you reerun. I don't understand you dude. I honestly think you might be racist. Oh and hating Clausen doesn't detract from you being a racist, it just means you hate douche bags, as do I. The knock on you is that you form an opinion on something and you fight it tooth and nail no matter what logical statements are being made that refutes your opinion. And then you act like everything you say is fact since you've been "right" on a couple of things. I mean can you get that blind and dumb? Seriously? Apparently people respect you on here, but from what I've seen since I've been here is you are a ****ing idiot who when backed into a corner resorts to posting stupid jpegs thinking you've won the argument when it makes you look like a child who can't get their way. I'll never like or respect you as others do and I'm ok with that.

**The Franchise** · 03-02-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Apparently there were also 32 GM's that didn't think he was all that fantastic either.

Fans and media over-rated Clausen. Teams knew better.

Dumbest argument ever.

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Consistent1 _____________ Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	I think if you give Griffin a good line that he is intelligent and skilled enough to not want to take a Tebow type beating. He knows he isn't some gigantic fugga like Newton and will want to keep himself healthy. You could still run a few option type plays every once in awhile with him. Just a couple a game without some give it away formation. He should be a good quarterback and not stupid enough to go early days of Vick. Chiefs aren't going to get him though.
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