The Official "Lost" the series discussion

[Deberg_1990]

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

[Huffmeister]

Originally Posted by patteeu

What was it?

The numbers are the candidates that were not crossed off. The list started off at over 100 numbers, but kept getting crossed off over time. At some point there were six left, which had some special significance to be "The Six". Then more numbers started being crossed off (like Locke's number). But for some reason, those six numbers were significant enough to be "The Six" that Hurley used, and that we see everywhere, and that add up to 108... and that somehow got sent back through time to the 60s when the guy heard them on patrol and later told Hurley about them in the hospital?

My head hurts.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Cankerskull

The numbers are the candidates that were not crossed off. The list started off at over 100 numbers, but kept getting crossed off over time. At some point there were six left, which had some special significance to be "The Six". Then more numbers started being crossed off (like Locke's number). But for some reason, those six numbers were significant enough to be "The Six" that Hurley used, and that we see everywhere, and that add up to 108... and that somehow got sent back through time to the 60s when the guy heard them on patrol and later told Hurley about them in the hospital?

My head hurts.

Did all six go back in time? I can't really remember.

[Huffmeister]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Did all six go back in time? I can't really remember.

I was referencing the numbers themselves, not the candidates. Somehow, the crazy guy in the hospital had to have heard those numbers while on patrol in the south Pacific (probably being broadcast by Widmore's group for some reason). They've never explained why those six numbers are significant. In fact, I think there were only five numbers/candidates left when found out that candidate had a number.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Did all six go back in time? I can't really remember.

Locke was dead and did not go back in time.
Sawyer did.
Jack did.
Hurley did.
Sayid did.

... and one of the Kwons (Jin) did as well. Sun did not. This lead many to beleive that Jin was the Candidate and not Sun.

The numbers seem to have a different significance to all the groups on the island. To Jacob they represented Candidates. Those 6 numbers, I believe, were assigned to those six people because of the lighthouse. The number assigned to them corresponded with the degree on the lighthouse wheel. Turn the wheel 4 degress and you see John Locke. Turn it 23 degrees and you Jack.

The numbers meant something very different to the Dharma Initiative. Though, it's never been mentioned in the show proper there was an explanation for the numbers and how/why the relate to the DI in one of the ARG's that took place during hiatus. If you want to know more about that explanation you can look through this thread, or you can do a wikipedia or lostpedia search for The Valinzetti Equation.

Of course, the show itself hasn't really said this explicitly. Some of it is just speculation. But it's speculation based on information provided from the show. I'm still holding out for a concrete, in-show, explanation.

[Red Brooklyn]

Also...

in "light" of the recent episode, I thought it would be prudent to revisit this snippet of dialogue from the Season Three episode: The Cost Of Living:

LOCKE: So, what exactly did you see back there? I saw it once, you know.

EKO: And what did you see?

LOCKE: I saw a very bright light. It was beautiful.

EKO: That is not what I saw.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

Locke was dead and did not go back in time.
Sawyer did.
Jack did.
Hurley did.
Sayid did.

... and one of the Kwons (Jin) did as well. Sun did not. This lead many to beleive that Jin was the Candidate and not Sun.

The numbers seem to have a different significance to all the groups on the island. To Jacob they represented Candidates. Those 6 numbers, I believe, were assigned to those six people because of the lighthouse. The number assigned to them corresponded with the degree on the lighthouse wheel. Turn the wheel 4 degress and you see John Locke. Turn it 23 degrees and you Jack.

The numbers meant something very different to the Dharma Initiative. Though, it's never been mentioned in the show proper there was an explanation for the numbers and how/why the relate to the DI in one of the ARG's that took place during hiatus. If you want to know more about that explanation you can look through this thread, or you can do a wikipedia or lostpedia search for The Valinzetti Equation.

Of course, the show itself hasn't really said this explicitly. Some of it is just speculation. But it's speculation based on information provided from the show. I'm still holding out for a concrete, in-show, explanation.

Yeah, I'm interested in an "official" explanation, whether in-show or simply from-writers. I've followed this thread from the beginning so while I may not remember all the speculation, I've been exposed to it. Thanks for the rundown though.

[007]

Was looking over the list and found it funny to see LOST as a series that has been canceled.

http://www.tvguide.com/news/fall-tv-...e-1005618.aspx

[Huffmeister]

I re-watched this week's episode last night, and here are my thoughts.

• The Wheel - They showed us the wheel that we saw Locke (and Ben) turn that transported them off of the island. But it was laying against the wall. Then Mother hits MIB's head against the wall, and fills in the well/cave. How did the wheel get installed? Did MIB's people put one in somewhere else?

• Jacob's Brother is dead - At least I think he is. Jacob killed him when he through him in the water. Getting sucked into the light released Smokey, and the body allows Smokey to take Jacob's brothers form. However, I think Smokey has somehow trapped Jacob's brother's soul, and this is the 'fate worse than death'. Towards the beginning of this episode, Mother tells the boys that the other people are bad, that they come, they kill, they corrupt, etc. It was almost EXACTLY what the MIB/Smokey told Jacob at the end of last season. So Jacob's brother HAS to be in there somewhere.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Cankerskull

I re-watched this week's episode last night, and here are my thoughts.

• The Wheel - They showed us the wheel that we saw Locke (and Ben) turn that transported them off of the island. But it was laying against the wall. Then Mother hits MIB's head against the wall, and fills in the well/cave. How did the wheel get installed? Did MIB's people put one in somewhere else?

Exactly. I can think of two options that seem the most likely:

1. MIB went back and finished installing the wheel after he turned into Smokey.

2. The DI actually finished installing it once they arrived and built the Orchid Station.

Either way, I don't think anyone put the a wheel in a different spot. I believe that what we saw in 'Across The Sea' was the same spot that would become The Orchid Station.

Originally Posted by Cankerskull

• Jacob's Brother is dead - At least I think he is. Jacob killed him when he through him in the water. Getting sucked into the light released Smokey, and the body allows Smokey to take Jacob's brothers form. However, I think Smokey has somehow trapped Jacob's brother's soul, and this is the 'fate worse than death'. Towards the beginning of this episode, Mother tells the boys that the other people are bad, that they come, they kill, they corrupt, etc. It was almost EXACTLY what the MIB/Smokey told Jacob at the end of last season. So Jacob's brother HAS to be in there somewhere.

I actually don't think MIB is dead. I think Jacob knocked him unconscious, but did not kill him in the stream. His body was then sucked into the heart of the island and he was transformed into Smokey. I think this because Mother stated she'd made it so Jacob and MIB couldn't kill each other, and because of the very observation you made above. He has his memories and motivations intact. He's "in there somewhere" because it's him just in a new form. He's a Smoke Monster instead of a human now.

That's my take. But really either way works, I think.

[Baby Lee]

Has anyone figured out how and why the light was RIGHT BEHIND a wall erected by man [or some form with intelligence and an amenable body].

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Has anyone figured out how and why the light was RIGHT BEHIND a wall erected by man [or some form with intelligence and an amenable body].

Nope. I have not. Maybe that'll be part of the final 3+ hours.

The best guess or theory I've read is that perhaps Mother put up the wall long ago to detour man from finding/accessing it.

[Red Brooklyn]

New, fun little article/interview with Damon and Carlton from The New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/ar...16weblost.html

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

New, fun little article/interview with Damon and Carlton from The New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/ar...16weblost.html

These guys are masters of saying a lot without actually saying anything.

But for those of you expecting a non-Sopranos type finale, it seems like you'll be disappointed because they've alluded to it in several interviews now.

So either they're setting us up or they're telling the truth.

[Red Brooklyn]

I think when they allude to The Sopranos, Darlton are talking about their finale being open-ended and more of a think piece, not an obvious, open and shut, definative kind of thing. I don't think they're referring to the extreme cliffhanger, lights out aspect of The Sopranos finale.

I've never seen an episode of The Sopranos, so I can't say for certain, but from what I've read (and from the fans I've talked to), The Sopranos ending was really intellegent, and well thought out. So...

I'll guess we'll know in a week.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

I think when they allude to The Sopranos, Darlton are talking about their finale being open-ended and more of a think piece, not an obvious, open and shut, definative kind of thing. I don't think they're referring to the extreme cliffhanger, lights out aspect of The Sopranos finale.

I've never seen an episode of The Sopranos, so I can't say for certain, but from what I've read (and from the fans I've talked to), The Sopranos ending was really intellegent, and well thought out. So...

I'll guess we'll know in a week.

Outside of a few friends on the "business", most people I know hated the Sopranos ending. No one truly knows the fate of Tony Soprano and his family other than David Chase, which is frustrating on many levels. The Sopranos wasn't a show that dealt in mythologies or science fiction. The show was about the life of a Mafia crime boss, his internal and external struggles. While I don't have a problem with the ending, I'd be pissed if Lost just left us out in the cold.

I will understand if the Lindelof & Cuse don't answer absolutely every question onscreen, but they'd better not let the bigger mysteries go unanswered, or the fate of the characters.