Dez Byant refuses to carry Williams' pads

[Chiefs Pantalones]

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[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I obviously have no idea what I'm talking about right..
"I don't need a guy like T.O. in the locker room. I don't need that virus like that. The guy destroyed two locker rooms already and it's only a matter of time before it happens again."

McMichael, speaking on 790 The Ticket (WAXY-AM), then added:

"I just don't want him to mess up everything we built down here."

And he was praised for this, a wife beater calling out a big mouth dude as being a bad guy is somehow a good thing.

what does a domestic matter have to do with a team matter.

the two arent equal no matter how much youu want to act as though they are.

now if mcmichael was dating another player and beat him up....

that would be somewhat the same i guess...
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[Mecca]

It's the point that football culture is ****ing reeruned sometimes.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's the point that football culture is ****ing reeruned sometimes.

how is that the point?

players dont give a shit about what a player does away from the team.

again a PERSONAL matter doesnt have anything to do with a team.


say the same thing all you want it doesnt make it right.
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[SAUTO]

how do you equate a guy having a domestic assualt to a guy who has ****ed up the chemistry of just about every team hes ever played for.

and then in this thread too.
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[MadMax]

Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

If I were a multi-millionaire veteran lineman or a linebacker and you were a rookie multi-millionaire WR, The other vets and I would tie you around a goal post like a pretzel and then you would carry whatever I told you to.

Ewwww OK Hotshot, I don't think so. Maybe I'd go along with the program, but YOU would never tell me jack squat. You would definitely need back up. Ahhh I'll never be a multi-millionaire anything so this point is moot I do see the other side I was just saying.

[SPATCH]

Originally Posted by Jim Jones

It's ridiculous to think that not carrying the guy's pads means that Dez Bryant thinks he's bigger than the team. The "system" is stupid -- the only reason Roy Williams wants Dez Bryant to carry his pads is because someone made Roy Wiliams carry their pads when he was a rookie, and another player made that guy carry his pads when he was a rookie, and so on. There's no real benefit that comes from it. I'm sure if Roy Williams was nursing an injury or had his hands full and needed help getting his stuff to the locker room, Bryant would help him.

I don't want to pull the "you never played" card, but...... yeah.... you probably never played. If he doesn't carry a vet's pads when asked, then yes, the message he sends to the team is that he is bigger than the team. He is above everybody in the fact that he doesn't have to do what everybody else had to do. He's special.

Here's something to think about:

Which group utilizes hazing more than any other? Oh yeah, that's right.... the military.

Are they ever going to be told that what they are doing is "ridiculous" or that they should stop? No. Why? Because it's tried and true, and it works.

The NFL does it in a much tamer fashion, but the end result is the same. You fall into line and do what you are told.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

what does a domestic matter have to do with a team matter.

the two arent equal no matter how much youu want to act as though they are.

now if mcmichael was dating another player and beat him up....

that would be somewhat the same i guess...
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I don't want to pull the "you never smacked your wife up side the head with a frozen Tilapia fillet" card, but I will.

Marriage is a team effort. If your wife doesn't want to do what all the other wives who came before her have done (and done willingly), it's like saying she's better than all those other women. Attitudes like that cause untold globs of discord and disrupt team cohesiveness. And damn it all, when the marital team is discordant and discoheved, the dang family unit breaks down. And when the dang family unit breaks down, society breaks down. That's when you open the freezer door and you ain't goin' for ice cream either, baby.

FAX

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by FAX

I don't want to pull the "you never smacked your wife up side the head with a frozen Tilapia fillet" card, but I will.

Marriage is a team effort. If your wife doesn't want to do what all the other wives who came before her have done (and done willingly), it's like saying she's better than all those other women. Attitudes like that cause untold globs of discord and disrupt team cohesiveness. And damn it all, when the marital team is discordant and discoheved, the dang family unit breaks down. And when the dang family unit breaks down, society breaks down. That's when you open the freezer door and you ain't goin' for ice cream either, baby.

FAX

cool cool faxy


but where the hell did that come from??
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[FAX]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

cool cool faxy


but where the hell did that come from??
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It's an excerpt from "The Road Less Traveled" by M. Scott Peck.

Good read.

FAX

[Nzoner]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He'll get his. I don't care whether it was Roy Williams or not. The other vets noticed.

And when they force Dez to take a group of vets out to dinner - and he won't get out of that one - guys are going to order ridiculous shit to make a point. And that wouldn't happen had Dez just rolled with it like everyone else has at that point of their careers.

Every guy before him paid his dues. Shit like this is part of being a rookie.

Declining to take part in any of it, regardless of how stupid it may be to some of you is only going to make it worse. Carrying pads will be the least of his concerns.

Bryant would be wise to do whatever is asked of him, and take it like a man. Just like the vets before him did.

Finally,another voice of reason.

[Jim Jones]

Originally Posted by the_spatula

I don't want to pull the "you never played" card, but...... yeah.... you probably never played. If he doesn't carry a vet's pads when asked, then yes, the message he sends to the team is that he is bigger than the team. He is above everybody in the fact that he doesn't have to do what everybody else had to do. He's special.

Here's something to think about:

Which group utilizes hazing more than any other? Oh yeah, that's right.... the military.

Are they ever going to be told that what they are doing is "ridiculous" or that they should stop? No. Why? Because it's tried and true, and it works.

The NFL does it in a much tamer fashion, but the end result is the same. You fall into line and do what you are told.

I played baseball in high school l and then covered a pretty big D1 college football team for my school paper while in college, so I've spent plenty of time around sports and football teams, thank you very much. My time spent around football is how I know this "system" people keep talking about is so stupid.

I remember the team I covered in college had a pretty big time, highly-touted freshman cornerback enrolling there on my first year on the football beat. Some of the upperclassmen in the secondary did something that wasn't too heinous to him - I think they took all his stuff after practice and made him go back to his dorm naked or something. Anyway, he got really pissed and the next day, approached the ringleader of it and basically checked him and told him he wasn't having any of it. I found about this a few weeks after it happened so I what the immediate ramifications were for it, but I do know that the player I'm referring to ended up having a pretty good career and was considered a team leader by the time he left school.

If Roy Williams wants to respect Dez Bryant, he should respect him for signing early, showing up to practice early, leaving late and working his butt off. His respect for the guy shouldn't hinge on whether he not he carries on some stupid tradition that isn't around for any particular reason.

Besides, if Dez DID carry Roy's pads, what would it prove? That Bryant looks up to him and respects him and knows he's in charge? He would only be doing it to humor the guy, nothing more. It's just pointless.

[RJ]

Originally Posted by FAX

I don't want to pull the "you never smacked your wife up side the head with a frozen Tilapia fillet" card, but I will.

Marriage is a team effort. If your wife doesn't want to do what all the other wives who came before her have done (and done willingly), it's like saying she's better than all those other women. Attitudes like that cause untold globs of discord and disrupt team cohesiveness. And damn it all, when the marital team is discordant and discoheved, the dang family unit breaks down. And when the dang family unit breaks down, society breaks down. That's when you open the freezer door and you ain't goin' for ice cream either, baby.

FAX

I get so damn tired of FAX holding the "you never smacked your wife up side the head with a frozen Tilapia fillet" over our collective head.

I'm not into health food. I prefer to smack my wife upside the head with a box of frozen White Castle burgers. Excuse me for not being all politically correct and stuff.

[SPATCH]

Originally Posted by Jim Jones

I played baseball in high school l and then covered a pretty big D1 college football team for my school paper while in college, so I've spent plenty of time around sports and football teams, thank you very much. My time spent around football is how I know this "system" people keep talking about is so stupid.

I remember the team I covered in college had a pretty big time, highly-touted freshman cornerback enrolling there on my first year on the football beat. Some of the upperclassmen in the secondary did something that wasn't too heinous to him - I think they took all his stuff after practice and made him go back to his dorm naked or something. Anyway, he got really pissed and the next day, approached the ringleader of it and basically checked him and told him he wasn't having any of it. I found about this a few weeks after it happened so I what the immediate ramifications were for it, but I do know that the player I'm referring to ended up having a pretty good career and was considered a team leader by the time he left school.

If Roy Williams wants to respect Dez Bryant, he should respect him for signing early, showing up to practice early, leaving late and working his butt off. His respect for the guy shouldn't hinge on whether he not he carries on some stupid tradition that isn't around for any particular reason.

Besides, if Dez DID carry Roy's pads, what would it prove? That Bryant looks up to him and respects him and knows he's in charge? He would only be doing it to humor the guy, nothing more. It's just pointless.

You're really not putting it together. I've already spelled this out multiple times in the thread.

Maybe you can understand this: How do you go through a rite of passage...... WHEN YOU SKIP THE ****ING PASSAGE?

It doesn't matter how trivial the task seems to you. It's not the task itself, it's the reason behind it (which Dez, and you, obviously don't understand)

Did you play baseball with upperclassman as a Freshman in high school? Surely you had to carry the BP balls or shag homerun balls during games or something. I sure as shit did.

[SPATCH]

Originally Posted by RJ

I get so damn tired of FAX holding the "you never smacked your wife up side the head with a frozen Tilapia fillet" over our collective head.

I'm not into health food. I prefer to smack my wife upside the head with a box of frozen White Castle burgers. Excuse me for not being all politically correct and stuff.

Oooooo I love "and stuff".. I want to bring that back. Can we bring that back?

[ArrowheadMagic]

Point of it, is to show respect for the guys that played before you, paved the way for you to make your millions.