Pats Cheating Comfirmed

[PizzaDoughz]

According to the report, the league sources say the NFL determined 11 of the 12 footballs used by the Patriots were under-inflated by two pounds per square inch each. Per NFL rules, footballs are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/2...bill-belichick

Discuss.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

I wish they would. That would be extremely appropriate and justified for cheating once again. How many chances do theg get before something drastic happens.

Should Aaron Rodgers have been kicked out of the playoffs? He admitted he cheated by overinflating balls. Should the Super Bowl he won be stripped from him?

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Should Aaron Rodgers have been kicked out of the playoffs? He admitted he cheated by overinflating balls. Should the Super Bowl he won be stripped from him?

No, only the Patriots should be vilified and punished and to a greater degree.

[BucEyedPea]

NFL executive VP of football operations Troy Vincent, speaking on Pro Football Talk Live on NBC Sports radio Tuesday, said the investigation should be coming to a close soon.

"We’re hoping to wrap that up in the next two or three days," Vincent said. "The team is in place in New England now interviewing staff members."

They're looking for a "who." They had better find intent.

[Katipan]

Would it make you feel better if Aaron Rodgers cheated a bunch of times with different balls?

[Amnorix]

And if not messing with grip/handling is so important, why are sticky gloves allowed?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...-sticky-gloves

Or do you think it's just a coincidence Beckham was wearing gloves for that ridiculous catch?

The answer, of course, is simple. It all comes down to $$$, and highlight reel catches are good for the NFL.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by Katipan

Would it make you feel better if Aaron Rodgers cheated a bunch of times with different balls?

To be honest, nothing makes it feel better.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Should Aaron Rodgers have been kicked out of the playoffs? He admitted he cheated by overinflating balls. Should the Super Bowl he won be stripped from him?

He admitted to having balls over inflated before the refs checked them. The main theory in this case is that the balls were changed after the refs checked them. There's a lot of difference in those two scenarios for me.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Katipan

Would it make you feel better if Aaron Rodgers cheated a bunch of times with different balls?

No. What I want to know, honestly, is (1) did the refs check the pressure, (2) if they did, did the Patriots do anything to manipulate the ball pressure AFTER the refs checked, and (3) did the Patriots do anything that isn't done widely around the NFL.

In sports, there are plenty of "wink, nod" rules that aren't really strictly enforced. Nobody knew about ball pressure until now, but everyone is ready to hang the Patriots from the tallest tree. So far, though, I've seen alot of stories by different quarterbacks about manipulating the ball in various ways, including a Super Bowl winning quarterback admitting he paid $7,500 for ball boys to manipulate balls prior to going out and winning the Super Bowl.

To me, one serious possibility is that the Patriots didn't do anythign that ALOT of teams do, in which case the correct result isn't punishment, but rather the NFL announcing they are going to start strictly enforcing the rule, and/or change their procedures to avoid manipulation (check pressure at halftime of each game, or the NFL controls the balls the whole way through, which I understand quarterback would disapprove of).

[AndChiefs]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

It seems that NFL ball manipulation is sort of like baseball manipulation, which nobody cared about until they did.

Aaron Rodgers admitted that he attempted to overinflate the ball. Nobody cared.

The Vikings and Jaguars were caught warming the ball (also illegal). Nobody cared, adn the NFL said "hey, stop that".

Buccaneers winning quarterback Brad Johnson admitted that he paid $7,500 for ball boys to manipulate the ball.

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/1/21/78...wl-deflategate

Patriots MAY have deflated the balls (the balls were underinflated, but the how/why is not yet resolved), and everyone is demanding that heads roll.

The problem, of course, is that reality doesn't matter -- perception is all that matters now. The Patriots are no benefit of the doubt from anyone (Cheatriots! Spygate!) and are widely hated for having so much success for so long. Belichick having the personality and loveability of a turnip doesn't help of course.

The rulebook provides for the punishment here -- $25,000 or whatever else the Commish says. It's the same as for wearing the wrong color cleats. But hey, Cheatriots! And it's affecting the NFL's image right before the Super Bowl, and talking heads need to fill two weeks of time, so I do expect heads will roll -- either Patriots heads or ref heads.

And they may lose at least one fan for life, since this all seems quite absurd to me.

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-pat...wn-deflategate

This is equivalent to the grade school, "But Johnny did it too!" defense.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

I don't see "cheating" in that headline or report. It says they found deflated balls true. But it's still on-going. Now, what needs to be known is who did it, intent or if any other factor.

I absolutely agree with this. They need to find proof before acting on any of it.

[BucEyedPea]

I was looking for that picture last night of Gronk spiking the ball into the ground with water splattering up. I was wondering if it affected the ball. But I couldn't find it.

However, while googling, I found this.

"When Gronk scores... he spikes the ball and he deflates the ball," Brady said on WEEI after beating the Jets in November 2011.

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...ls_for_af.html

Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers told a Milwaukee radio station Tuesday he likes an over-inflated ball instead because his hands are large.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

He admitted to having balls over inflated before the refs checked them. The main theory in this case is that the balls were changed after the refs checked them. There's a lot of difference in those two scenarios for me.

errr...IF there is any difference.

It sounds like Rodgers overinflates and then sees if the refs check, and deflate. So he is cheating, and then seeing if he gets caught and the situation fixed.

Did the Patriots deflate and then see if the refs check, and inflate? Same thing except in the other direction, so to speak?

And do other teams/QBs do this also, or are the Patriots the only one. So far I have THREE other teams THIS YEAR admitting or being caught manipulating the ball in a way that is not technically legal. And yet the Patriots alone are the ones who must pay? How does that make sense?

We don't even know if the PSI was tested in an 80 degree room, and then the balls deflated on their own when they went out into the 50 degree gametime temperature.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by TribalElder

The reason it was caught was after an interception the colts defender told the coach or equip guy who told gm who told officiating who checked the pats balls

It would have went unnoticed otherwise

But how does the ref marking the ball not notice? Inside job.

[BucEyedPea]

Oh the picture I was looking for. It was just the pic with no copy when I first saw it.

[notorious]

Mythbusters already did a show on punting balls filled with helium.