Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one

[RealSNR]

I try to tell myself it could be much worse. We could have kept Pioli, let Albert walk, and drafted Joeckel.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Great, another wanderer from DC lecturing us on team building.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

The team won't win shit if they don't get a franchise QB, doesn't matter who the coach is. History and percentages are on our side for what we want them to do. Losing and 40 years of failure is what you seem to support.

[Hammock Parties]

Peter King is such a douche.

"Oh! I see that people are poo-pooing this QB class! I haven't done any actual research on it myself, but everyone else says it, so it must be true!"

"Oh! I see on pro football reference that the 1997 QB class (in hindsight) was shitty! I will compare these draft classes!"

"Oh! I am insightful!"

[Pasta Little Brioni]

It's too bad Baltimore "reached" on Flacco. Think of the value they could have had!!!

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Finally, three players I'll be watching at the Combine, three with question marks and debatable upsides:

1. Quarterback Sean Renfree, Duke. No one's talking about him, but he completed 70 percent of his throws in six of 12 games for David Cutcliffe last fall, was a comeback specialist, and has the pedigree in a good pro-style offense to play early. Could he be more than a late-round flyer, this year's Ryan Lindley? We'll see.

OK the Sean Renfree bandwagon is loading up and ready to roll.... ALL ABOARD!!!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

process they use is far more substantive and informed than the process almost any fan uses.

JAZ is Pioli

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by PGM

process they use is far more substantive and informed than the process almost any fan uses.

JAZ is *****

Nah, I have (a little) more hair than him.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Defer to authority!!!! Remember that in DC land.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by PGM

Defer to authority!!!! Remember that in DC land.

This has nothing to do with "authority" it has to do with being an experienced professional who wakes up every day studying game film and conducting interviews with players and coaches and developing game plans and coaching players every day.

[the Talking Can]

what's the point of a message board where you're constantly told to "be quiet, you're not a real GM"?

should we just discuss beer (even though we aren't real brewers)?

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

what's the point of a message board where you're constantly told to "be quiet, you're not a real GM"?

should we just discuss beer (even though we aren't real brewers)?

Poop threads. Nothing but poop threads. We're all experts in that.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

what's the point of a message board where you're constantly told to "be quiet, you're not a real GM"?

should we just discuss beer (even though we aren't real brewers)?

I"m not saying be quiet. I'm saying have fun, but if you start to take your (barely informed) opinions very seriously, you're trying too hard.

Measure outcomes (wins, losses) and don't get too wrapped up in the day to day details even if you follow them passionately like we do here.

It's still possible and rational to want one thing and recognize that if the professionals come to the same conclusion, that doesn't make you a genius and if they professionals disagree it doesn't make them idiots.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by jAZ

It's still possible and rational to want one thing and recognize that if the professionals come to the same conclusion, that doesn't make you a genius and if they professionals disagree it doesn't make them idiots.

I will agree with you 100% after the Chiefs draft a QB at #1 overall. That's when hardcore professional scouting trumps my hobby.

The issue of taking a QB isn't a matter of scouting. It's a matter of philosophy and principle.

I didn't see you giving John McCain or Mitt Romney a pass. I'm pretty sure you were just fine with saying, "McCain is no different than Bush, which hasn't done very well for the country." You didn't know that. You didn't know what McCain or Romney would be all about and yet you still assumed they would employ the same strategy that you railed against for the last 8 years.

The Chiefs are faced with doing what we've been doing for the past 30 years, not 8. We have the option of going with the strategy that got us into this mess, or we can switch up the strategy and go with something completely different for a bit, and see if that works.

Sorry to inject political dialogue into the main Lounge, but if that's all you understand, then that's the language I'll have to talk.

[jAZ]

Originally Posted by SNR

I will agree with you 100% after the Chiefs draft a QB at #1 overall. That's when hardcore professional scouting trumps my hobby.

The issue of taking a QB isn't a matter of scouting. It's a matter of philosophy and principle.

I didn't see you giving John McCain or Mitt Romney a pass. I'm pretty sure you were just fine with saying, "McCain is no different than Bush, which hasn't done very well for the country." You didn't know that. You didn't know what McCain or Romney would be all about and yet you still assumed they would employ the same strategy that you railed against for the last 8 years.

The Chiefs are faced with doing what we've been doing for the past 30 years, not 8. We have the option of going with the strategy that got us into this mess, or we can switch up the strategy and go with something completely different for a bit, and see if that works.

Sorry to inject political dialogue into the main Lounge, but if that's all you understand, then that's the language I'll have to talk.

FYI, I haven't posted 50 times in DC in in the last 3 years.

As for scouting, you are just wrong. It's *possible* that the difference between the top 5 QB's is marginal. And if you grade all of them as 2nd round players, then you are a terrible fool if you take one of them over an alternative player who you rate as the #1 overall player when you could get your #4 and #5 QB with your second pick.

Scouting that matters deeply.