Chiefs I was impressed with Cassel - Page 7

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 01:53 PM

He didn't start to look like the old Cassel until the game was out of reach. His passes were crisp, ontime, to the correct receiver and he went through progressions. He marched us into scoring position until Moeaki decided to make a weak attempt at catching a ball which ended up tipped and picked. It was not Cassel's fault. The fumble was not Cassel's fault. The 2nd INT was the old Cassel though he was trying to make a play in a game that we were out of but nonetheless was a bad decision.

All in all he looked good. He was put in a position that he was literally forced to score on every drive and was doing a good job of it until some others started choking.

I'm not down on him yet. If our defense was worth half a **** today we most likley stomp Atlanta.

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by qabbaan

Play an entire game without sucking.

And that would have gotten us what?

Deberg_1990 · 09-09-2012, 02:17 PM

Cassel was ok, not great but ok today. They can win with him if the defense plays better for sure.

I'm more disappointed in the fact we have three top picks on the d line and still can't generate much of a pass rush.

**DeezNutz** · 09-09-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

And that would have gotten us what?

A chance to be impressed with Cassel without having to make a shit ton of excuses for him.

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Be consistent. Not play like he did in the second half.

One good half and one embarrassing half do not an impressive performance make.

He didn't play bad in the 2nd half until we were out of the game anyway.

**cdcox** · 09-09-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

For christs sake...he got ****ing blindsided on a free run by Abraham.

There's not a QB in the league that wouldn't have lost that ball.

There are QBs that would not have been blindsided because the felt the pressure and moved.

Cassel had the ball stripped because the ball was outside his body. There are QBs who hold the ball high on their chest when going through their progression and have a quick release delivery. The ball is exposed outside of their core for maybe 1/2 the time that Cassel does with his delivery. It's fundamental QB mechanics and they are coached for a reason, one being that you limit these kinds of turnovers. Cassel's fundamentals are not prototypical.

So yes, there are QBs that would not have fumbled with that exact play called and exact play by the other 21 players on the field.

FloridaMan88 · 09-09-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

How so? How did he shit his pants?

Third and 1, he throws a pass that any QB above 8th grade knows not to throw... INT.. end of any hope of a comeback.

You continue to try to gloss over that play in your continued ass kissing of Cassel.

Saccopoo · 09-09-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

In chat, I said the moment that Succop missed that FG that that was the game.

Matt Cassel didn't lose this game, but I knew as soon as this team fell behind by 10 points that Matt Cassel couldn't win this game.

Matt Cassel wasn't going to win this game. Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Terry Bradshaw, Fran Tarkenton or Tim Tebow wasn't going to win this game. They were down 10 points and the defense hadn't stopped Atlanta all game long.

That's not on Cassel, that's on the defense. If they hold them, who knows, but they didn't.

tredadda · 09-09-2012, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

I think with what we saw today and our offense this year 2 scores won't be an issue. He kept coming back from being down today didn't he? The defense has to step in at some point.

For a half. How many times in the past 4 years has Cassel come from 2 scores down to win it for us, especially against a good team. The defense is just as guilty for the blowout, but what was once a shootout became a blowout and our offense (led by Cassel) did nothing to stop that.

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

A chance to be impressed with Cassel without having to make a shit ton of excuses for him.

You are on crack. Cassel did nothing to hurt this team today. The only thing he could have done that was his fault was not throw the 2nd INT. And at that point it was irrelevant anyway.

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

For a half. How many times in the past 4 years has Cassel come from 2 scores down to win it for us, especially against a good team. The defense is just as guilty for the blowout, but what was once a shootout became a blowout and our offense (led by Cassel) did nothing to stop that.

He made Succop miss? He made Albert miss the block? He made Moeaki drop a pass? I ams till confused on what exactly Cassel did wrong other than the 2nd INT?

**Bwana** · 09-09-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If you're impressed, your expectations are shockingly low.

Heh, that was my first throught as well. When the NFL starts playing "half games" old Matt will be in good shape.

**DeezNutz** · 09-09-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

You are on crack. Cassel did nothing to hurt this team today. The only thing he could have done that was his fault was not throw the 2nd INT. And at that point it was irrelevant anyway.

Striking juxtaposition of sentences two and three.

He was perfect! Well, except for...

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Matt Cassel wasn't going to win this game. Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Terry Bradshaw, Fran Tarkenton or Tim Tebow wasn't going to win this game. They were down 10 points and the defense hadn't stopped Atlanta all game long.

That's not on Cassel, that's on the defense. If they hold them, who knows, but they didn't.

God damn THIS!

A QB cannot bring you back from behind when your defense keeps letting the other team go ahead!

tredadda · 09-09-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

He didn't play bad in the 2nd half until we were out of the game anyway.

You just made an excuse for him. Basically as long as he has a perfect pocket, perfect running game and receivers that get plenty of separation he is lights out. Take any of those factors out and he plays like crap and some excuse his play.

jd1020 · 09-09-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

There are QBs that would not have been blindsided because the felt the pressure and moved.

Cassel had the ball stripped because the ball was outside his body. There are QBs who hold the ball high on their chest when going through their progression and have a quick release delivery. The ball is exposed outside of their core for maybe 1/2 the time that Cassel does with his delivery. It's fundamental QB mechanics and they are coached for a reason, one being that you limit these kinds of turnovers. Cassel's fundamentals are not prototypical.

So yes, there are QBs that would not have fumbled with that exact play called and exact play by the other 21 players on the field.

Free shot from the blindside. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, and Peyton Manning don't feel that pressure.

09-09-2012, 01:53 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2604127	I was impressed with Cassel He didn't start to look like the old Cassel until the game was out of reach. His passes were crisp, ontime, to the correct receiver and he went through progressions. He marched us into scoring position until Moeaki decided to make a weak attempt at catching a ball which ended up tipped and picked. It was not Cassel's fault. The fumble was not Cassel's fault. The 2nd INT was the old Cassel though he was trying to make a play in a game that we were out of but nonetheless was a bad decision. All in all he looked good. He was put in a position that he was literally forced to score on every drive and was doing a good job of it until some others started choking. I'm not down on him yet. If our defense was worth half a **** today we most likley stomp Atlanta.
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09-09-2012, 02:17 PM	#92
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3824454	Cassel was ok, not great but ok today. They can win with him if the defense plays better for sure. I'm more disappointed in the fact we have three top picks on the d line and still can't generate much of a pass rush. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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