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[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Rambozo

I don't think that's true. Every Chiefs fan wants to draft a QB and I think we will. Andrew Luck is a once in 30 year prospect. No one has Andrew Luck on the mind. People really look at Geno and compare him to Ryan and Stafford and they see he's not as good. Most people just want a QB that will succeed imo. He doesn't have to be perfect and we can be a little patient with him. The thing is that it doesn't look like there is a guy like that in this class. I am talking about a guy like say Joe Flacco for example. We are going to have to play the hand we are dealt. People complain about mock's like Kiper's for example but that would be great. Can you imagine if we knew Geno would fall into the 20's? What if it is as evident to the GM's as it was when Brady Quinn and Aaron Rodgers fell? Wouldn't the best situation be to grab Joeckel and trade back into the first and grab Wilson or Smith?

If that happened, guys like you would extatic calling Dorsey a genius. But, for the two hours before we traded you would be cursing the everloving shit out of him threatening to end your Chiefs fandom.

It's true for a lot of you guys. My advice is to chill out and hope Geno and/or drop.

I would take Geno Smith over Matt Ryan and think he's nearly identical to Bradford (more upside, lower floor).

The problem with Kiper's mock is that it is out of touch with reality. There's no way that QBs are going to fall as much as he (or some other experts) thinks. There are too many teams with extreme needs. Planning to draft "BPA" and hoping for a QB in round 2 (or by trading up into the 20s of round 1) falls completely apart if Oakland, Arizona, Jacksonville (which will have two shots at it), Buffalo, etc. take QBs.

[Rambozo]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I would take Geno Smith over Matt Ryan and think he's nearly identical to Bradford (more upside, lower floor).

The problem with Kiper's mock is that it is out of touch with reality. There's no way that QBs are going to fall as much as he (or some other experts) thinks. There are too many teams with extreme needs. Planning to draft "BPA" and hoping for a QB in round 2 (or by trading up into the 20s of round 1) falls completely apart if Oakland, Arizona, Jacksonville (which will have two shots at it), Buffalo, etc. take QBs.

Geno has better tools but, mentally, he is not where Ryan was. Ryan is and has always been great under pressure in big games. He brought his team back so much he earned the name "Matty Ice." Geno and Bradford haven't shown that yet and that is a big deal. Tons of these NFL games come down to the wire. That is one of the first things coaches look at when checking out QBs imo.


I agree about Kiper. At least 2-3 will go in the first.

Make no mistake, if we pass on a QB at #1, it is for a damn good reason and more than likely, Oakland, Jacksonville, and the others will pass too.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Rambozo

Geno has better tools but, mentally, he is not where Ryan was. Ryan is and has always been great under pressure in big games. He brought his team back so much he earned the name "Matty Ice." Geno and Bradford haven't shown that yet and that is a big deal. Tons of these NFL games come down to the wire.

Make no mistake, if we pass on a QB at #1, it is for a damn good reason and more than likely, Oakland and Jacksonville will pass too.

You're a ****ing moron.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Rambozo

Geno has better tools but, mentally, he is not where Ryan was. Ryan is and has always been great under pressure in big games. He brought his team back so much he earned the name "Matty Ice." Geno and Bradford haven't shown that yet and that is a big deal. Tons of these NFL games come down to the wire. That is one of the first things coaches look at when checking out QBs imo.


I agree about Kiper. At least 2-3 will go in the first.

Make no mistake, if we pass on a QB at #1, it is for a damn good reason and more than likely, Oakland, Jacksonville, and the others will pass too.

I think the "great under pressure" credibility Ryan might have had built up at one time ( which is questionable in the first place - do a few comebacks against non-powers in the ACC really warrant it) have certainly dried up as his NFL career has gone along.

Geno Smith's performance against Oklahoma, which should have won the game if his defense was even 1/4 competent, was better - and against a better team - than any Matt Ryan led comeback his last year in college.

[duncan_idaho]

What the hell is this guy talking about calling Luke Joeckel as good as Jon Odgen?

COME ON.

Ogden was just as athletic as Joeckel, but he was 3" taller, 50 pounds heavier, had incredibly long arms even for his height (7-foot wingspan). He also was a freaking monster when it came to strength.

Calling a tackle without elite strength as good as Ogden or Pace is just dumb.

[RustShack]

Geno is actually a real good prospect from a physical/talent standpoint. He just needs a little coaching to reach his potential. He threw 42 TD's 6 INT's and completed 72% of his passes last year and he isn't even close to tapping his full potential yet. He was on a bad team, if his team did better everyone would love him. He was far from the reason why they weren't successfull.

If last years staff was here, yeah Geno is probably screwed... But Reid can coach him as as well as anyone else in the NFL.

Smith is the opposite if the Chiefs. He had no help(besides a few WR's). The Chiefs have a lot in place, but you can't see it because there's no QB.

[HolyHat]

I don't see how this guy thinks Ryan Tannetits would be the best QB in this class...that's total nonsense.

[O.city]

So you want a Flacco type prospect, who had more questions coming out than 2 or 3 of the top guys this year? Ok.

No shit, people can't see the future. WHo knew.


Afraid and desperate? For what? Statistics show the best place to find a franchise QB is in the first round. When you wait til the second, chances go down, free agency even farther.

[O.city]

Yep, damn good reason all those teams passed on Big Ben, or Rodgers, or Brady etc. They always know what they are doing.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I don't think QBs slip anymore. Not after what Russel Wilson just did. If a QB is even close to being able to throw the ball, they will go round 1.

[O.city]

People wanna play the sit and wait game in round 2 to see which QB falls to us there or which is still available.

We have the first overall pick. Sitting around waiting isn't what needs to happen.

[the Talking Can]

imagine the ****ing tears if we were looking at a QB from Delaware this year, whose biggest win was against Delaware State...


jesus, the "he's not good enough, wait till next year" crowd would lose their worthless shit....

[Rambozo]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

imagine the ****ing tears if we were looking at a QB from Delaware this year, whose biggest win was against Delaware State...


jesus, the "he's not good enough, wait till next year" crowd would lose their worthless shit....

God damn some of you guys don't ****ing read. I was talking about a guy like Joe Flacco who can develop over time and win some big games. A guy with a skill set who has the tools and turns into a good QB. He doesn't have to be great. He just has to be like Joe.

It has nothing to do with Delaware. Jump to conclusions much?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

imagine the ****ing tears if we were looking at a QB from Delaware this year, whose biggest win was against Delaware State...


jesus, the "he's not good enough, wait till next year" crowd would lose their worthless shit....

It's not just Flacco either.

I keep pounding it home: Cam Newton had ONE 3,000-yard passing season in college.

[O.city]

So you want a guy like Joe Flacco, prospect wise, yet you don't want any of these guys at 1? Do you remember what Flacco was as a prospect?