Jets/Patriots feud could benefit Chiefs

[Hammock Parties]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...g/04/14/draft/

Cool stuff. Carl, stop laughing and draft someone good in the second round.

The Jets pick sixth in the first round. The Patriots pick seventh. Let me tell you a story about the last time New England picked directly behind the Jets high in a draft. It was 2001. New England held the 50th pick, New York the 49th. The Patriots very much wanted Iowa tackle Matt Light in the second round, but worried that the Jets might want Light too. New England personnel chief Scott Pioli called Light with the draft at the 47th pick and asked if he'd heard from any other teams recently. "Yeah,'' Light said. "I've got the Jets on the other line.'' Pioli thanked him, hung up, and the Patriots called the Lions, at 48, and swapped picks, giving Detroit a sixth-rounder in return. New England ended up with Light, who went on to become a three-time Super Bowl starter at left tackle. New York picked running back LaMont Jordan.

Now, when this story has been discussed over the years, the Jets have been quick to say they wouldn't necessarily have taken Light. (To which I say, "Maybe.'' Or "Yeah, right. And Joe Namath took knitting classes every night in Manhattan.'')

We can argue about New York's intent in 2001, but I can tell you this year's first round is already causing angst with the Patriots and Jets. As in the draft seven years ago, this draft finds the Jets and Patriots with similar needs. Not exactly the same needs -- the Jets might look at tackle and quarterback here, two spots the Pats won't pick in the first round -- but there are similar players very high on each team's draft boards. Glenn Dorsey. Vernon Gholston. Sedrick Ellis. Chris Long. Keith Rivers.

Moreover, the two organizations are warring clans now, after Spygate and the Deion Branch tampering charges, and that leads to an interesting scenario. Rich Cimini of the New York Daily News and Mike Reiss of the Boston Globe have written intelligently about the two teams trying to trade down. Cimini says because the Jets have spent so much guaranteed money this offseason, they'll be looking to shed the sixth slot in the draft; makes sense, I think, partly because of the estimated $20 million in guarantees the sixth pick will command.
However, after spending a good chunk of the weekend on the phone, I think the opposite could happen. I think if a player each team loves is sitting there when Kansas City goes on the clock at five, both could try to trade with the Chiefs to get the guy they want.

"We'll have our phone lines open,'' Chiefs president Carl Peterson said with a chuckle Saturday. "I can tell you if the guy we've targeted at five is not there, we'll definitely be interested in trading down.''
Wait: You need to add this proviso, Carl -- if you know the guy you want isn't going to be taken by the Jets or Pats, you've got to try to trade down just as hard.

Lots of teams trade little pieces of draft information this time of year. But you can be sure that the Patriots and Jets will be ultra-secretive when talking to friends in the league. They simply don't want their arch-enemy to know what they're thinking. Peterson also realizes that if New England is kept guessing about who the Jets want, and if the Patriots guess about who New York wants, he might be able to get either team to trade up. The Chiefs can win by keeping their lips zipped, and by dropping hints to the Pats and Jets that they'd better move into the fifth spot if they want to be sure to get the guy they love.

My theory is Peterson likes Jake Long and Matt Ryan. Also, there's a slight chance he might want Boise State's Ryan Clady, who is probably a better left-tackle prospect than Long. The way I see it, Long will be long gone by the fifth spot ... But if Atlanta doesn't take Ryan, he'll be there at 5. And should the Chiefs move down, Ryan would probably still be available at 6 and 7 too.

Here's what I love about this story: Don't put it past the Jets and the Patriots to try to trump each other.

[Coogs]

How about a double trade down on draft day. This one with the Pats to get the #7 overall pick and the #69 pick in the 3rd round the Pats have from the Faiders.

Then... GBN has their new mock draft out today which has Cincinnati moving up from #9 to #7 for the #77 pick in the 3rd round.

That would give us #9, #35, #66, #69, and #77 in the first 3 rounds. Could fill a lot of spots with those selections.

[cadmonkey]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

You think he'll last that long? If he's there, I agree, but i'm worried he won't be there. All else being equal, the Jets would take him I'm sure, but they may not be able to spend on a "luxury" like a pass-rushing specialist type, instead needing to fill more obvious needs along the defensive line, etc.

Well, if he's not there then we take the #1 CB on the board. Either way, we are not moving anywhere and fill one of our huge needs.

[ceebz]

Originally Posted by Hoover

I was praying to god that we wouldn't draft Quinn.

I'll be praying this year that we don't draft Matt Ryan.

I'm just not sold on those two guys for what they cost,

I agree completely. I personally think Booty may be the best pro prospect in this year's draft. However, regardless of which QB you perceive as the best prospect, I think we can all agree that none of them are worth a top five pick.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Coogs

How about a double trade down on draft day. This one with the Pats to get the #7 overall pick and the #69 pick in the 3rd round the Pats have from the Faiders.

Then... GBN has their new mock draft out today which has Cincinnati moving up from #9 to #7 for the #77 pick in the 3rd round.

That would give us #9, #35, #66, #69, and #77 in the first 3 rounds. Could fill a lot of spots with those selections.

Sounds good, but that's WAAAY more money Carl wants to shell out to rookies.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by cadmonkey

Well, if he's not there then we take the #1 CB on the board. Either way, we are not moving anywhere and fill one of our huge needs.

"huge". Dude, we went 18-1. We have needs, but they're not really that huge compared to what other teams drafting near the top of the draft board have to deal with. Or, at least, we have far fewer needs.

Don't forget HOW we built this monster team of ours -- collecting picks from toher teams more desperate than ours. We have this #7 pick because the Niners were operating in the short term, and we were operating in the long.

If someone much lower down offers us a 1st this year (say late teens/early 20s) and a #1 next year, you can bet the Pats will be movin' on down, unless they LOVE the guy at #7 and think he is vastly better than anyone at #18 or whatever.

[The Rick]

Originally Posted by Coogs

How about a double trade down on draft day. This one with the Pats to get the #7 overall pick and the #69 pick in the 3rd round the Pats have from the Faiders.

Then... GBN has their new mock draft out today which has Cincinnati moving up from #9 to #7 for the #77 pick in the 3rd round.

That would give us #9, #35, #66, #69, and #77 in the first 3 rounds. Could fill a lot of spots with those selections.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by ceebz

I personally think Booty may be the best pro prospect in this year's draft.

[ceebz]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Come on, it wasn't that funny.

[SBK]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Don't forget HOW we built this monster team of ours -- collecting picks from toher teams more desperate than ours.

Same way the Broncos did. By violating the rules.....

[SBK]

Originally Posted by ceebz

Come on, it wasn't that funny.

You are right about that. It wasn't funny, it was reeruned.

[ceebz]

Originally Posted by SBK

You are right about that. It wasn't funny, it was reeruned.

This year's qb class is below average, IMO. I don't see why it's "reeruned" to think Booty may be the best of them.

[Amnorix]

Oh, and I think 2 of our 3 DLinemen have contracts up in 2009, so don't be surprised if we go DL too.

[SBK]

Originally Posted by ceebz

This year's qb class is below average, IMO. I don't see why it's "reeruned" to think Booty may be the best of them.

Maybe you're just smarter than EVERY GM, SCOUT, AND NFL team? If Booty was considered the best you'd have people talking about him being the best wouldn't you?

[Halfcan]

so we trade down and lose a Dorsey, Ryan or Long-sounds just like the dumbshit antics Carl would pull.

[Sure-Oz]

Trade down and draft Owen Schmidt with our late 1st rounder, thats all LJ needs