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**HemiEd** · 12:48 PM

Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Series of Accidents Caused by Sudden Acceleration

Anyone else been following this story? They had a pretty graphic show on nightline about it last night.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Runawa...ory?id=8980479

Refusing to accept the explanation of Toyota and the federal government, hundreds of Toyota owners are in rebellion after a series of accidents caused by what they call "runaway cars."

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Department of Transportation: underlying defect causes accelerators to stick.

More PhotosSafety analysts found an estimated 2000 cases in which owners of Toyota cars including Camry, Prius and Lexus, reported that their cars surged without warning up to speeds of 100 miles per hour.

CLICK HERE FOR MORE OF THE RUNAWAY TOYOTAS STORY.

Toyota says the incidents are caused by floor mats becoming stuck under gas pedals, but owners say that's not what happened to them.

Watch the full report tonight on 'World News with Charles Gibson' and 'Nightline'.

"I'm absolutely certain that in my situation, it was not the floor mats," Elizabeth James told ABC News. She was driving her Toyota Prius outside Denver, CO when she says it suddenly shot up to 90 miles an hour, even though her foot was on the brake and not the gas pedal.

"I kept going faster and faster," James said. "And all of a sudden… my foot was pressing on the brake super, super hard and I wasn't slowing down."

James and some other Toyota owners suspect the accidents have been caused by some kind of glitch in the electronic computer system used in Toyotas that controls the throttle.

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...at-recall.html

**BigMeatballDave** · 02-01-2010, 03:17 PM

Toyota...Moving Forward...Quickly...whether you want to or not...

**HemiEd** · 02-01-2010, 06:08 PM

Lots of doubt about the latest line of BS handed out by Toyota.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,4401302.story

Toyota Motor Corp.'s decision to blame its widening sudden-acceleration problem on a gas pedal defect came under attack Friday, with the pedal manufacturer flatly denying that its products were at fault.

Federal vehicle safety records reviewed by The Times also cast doubt on Toyota's claims that sticky gas pedals were a significant factor in the growing reports of runaway vehicles. Of more than 2,000 motorist complaints of sudden acceleration in Toyota and Lexus vehicles over the last decade, just 5% blamed a sticking gas pedal, the analysis found.

What's more, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has conducted eight investigations into sudden-acceleration problems in Toyota vehicles over the last seven years, none of which identified a sticking pedal as a potential cause.

"The way the sudden-acceleration problems are occurring in reported incidents doesn't comport with how this sticky pedal is described," said Sean Kane, president of Safety Research & Strategies, a Rehoboth, Mass., auto safety consulting firm. "We know this recall is a red herring."

Sudden-acceleration events in Toyota and Lexus vehicles have been blamed for at least 19 fatalities and 815 vehicle crashes since 1999.

Toyota last fall blamed the episodes on floor mats that entrapped the gas pedals, leading to a massive recall. Then last week Toyota said sticking gas pedals were also causing sudden acceleration by not springing back into idle position, triggering another recall.

On Tuesday, the automaker stopped sales and production of eight models until it could remedy the problem.

Independent auto safety experts have been skeptical of Toyota's explanations, saying floor mats and sticky gas pedals can't fully explain the large number of complaints that have been mounting for the last decade, covering some of the most popular models in the company's lineup, including the Camry.

**Bugeater** · 02-01-2010, 06:10 PM

Well all we can do is wait and see if it happens to a car with the updated pedal. If it does, Toyota is really going to be up a shit creek.

JD10367 · 02-01-2010, 06:23 PM

I hope we jump on this marketing opportunity! Come on, guys, let's get some market share back!

**BigRedChief** · 02-03-2010, 08:42 AM

Now over 100 drivers have complained to the government about the Prisus's brakes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35214248/ns/business-autos/

Also did you see Steve wojo come out and say the problem could be in the software in Toyota's?

**BigRedChief** · 02-03-2010, 09:01 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2010-02-03-electromagnetic03_ST_N.htm

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is investigating whether electromagnetic signals such as those from radar and cellphones could be interfering with electronic gas-pedal controls in vehicles including Toyotas, according to a federal official with direct knowledge of the inquiry

Radar Chief · 02-03-2010, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Also did you see Steve wojo come out and say the problem could be in the software in Toyota's?

It probably is. If it were a hardware issue the problem would be repeatable and easily troubleshot down to a root cause. Because they haven’t been able to isolate a solid root cause and are throwing band-aids at it, like replacing the floor mats, throttle and activating the brake override, it looks to me like they don’t truly know what the root cause is. As a technician that’s just screaming buggy code to me.

Radar Chief · 02-03-2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2010-02-03-electromagnetic03_ST_N.htm

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is investigating whether electromagnetic signals such as those from radar and cellphones could be interfering with electronic gas-pedal controls in vehicles including Toyotas, according to a federal official with direct knowledge of the inquiry

RF Interference, there’s an aspect I hadn’t thought of.

JD10367 · 02-03-2010, 09:09 AM

Not sure I'm fond of electronic gas-pedal control. I know my Smart has it, and it works fine, but still... not sure I like the idea of a software glitch causing my car to accelerate. Sure, a mechanical connection may need oiling and adjusting, but sometimes tried-and-true is the better way to go, IMO.

**mlyonsd** · 02-03-2010, 11:12 AM

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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Department of Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood told lawmakers Wednesday that Toyota owners should stop driving cars affected by the recall and bring them back to the company.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/03/news...dex.htm?hpt=T1

LOL at all the brilliant planeteers that claim American cars suck.

**Bugeater** · 02-03-2010, 11:16 AM

Yeah, like my wife is going to do that. They'd have to pry her car out of her cold, dead hands.

Pants · 02-03-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd

http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/03/news...dex.htm?hpt=T1

LOL at all the brilliant planeteers that claim American cars suck.

What does that have to do with Toyota making a faulty part?

CrazyHorse · 02-03-2010, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

This. It's definitely a problem that it's happening, but any rational person would do this.

What if someone pulls out in front of you at an intersection? You have to hit the brakes quick, but your pedal is stuck. Not all situations allow you time to go through an added step to react. Anyone who drives one of these cars not only makes the decision to put thier own life at risk, but others on the road as well.

You're right though. Given time to think and react, it seems like a no-brainer on how to get your car stopped.

**HemiEd** · 02-03-2010, 01:03 PM

I had a late model Camry following me real close, too close yesterday, I pulled over and let him by.

**BigRedChief** · 02-03-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

What if someone pulls out in front of you at an intersection? You have to hit the brakes quick, but your pedal is stuck. Not all situations allow you time to go through an added step to react. Anyone who drives one of these cars not only makes the decision to put thier own life at risk, but others on the road as well.

You're right though. Given time to think and react, it seems like a no-brainer on how to get your car stopped.

In a crisis situation sometimes people freeze. Look at that 911 call from the cop about the stuck gas pedal. He's had training to remain calm in a situation. If he's thinking he turns off the ignition or puts it in neutral.

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HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $3060564	Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Accidents Caused by Sudden acceleration. Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Series of Accidents Caused by Sudden Acceleration Anyone else been following this story? They had a pretty graphic show on nightline about it last night. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Runawa...ory?id=8980479 Refusing to accept the explanation of Toyota and the federal government, hundreds of Toyota owners are in rebellion after a series of accidents caused by what they call "runaway cars." Share Department of Transportation: underlying defect causes accelerators to stick. More PhotosSafety analysts found an estimated 2000 cases in which owners of Toyota cars including Camry, Prius and Lexus, reported that their cars surged without warning up to speeds of 100 miles per hour. CLICK HERE FOR MORE OF THE RUNAWAY TOYOTAS STORY. Toyota says the incidents are caused by floor mats becoming stuck under gas pedals, but owners say that's not what happened to them. Watch the full report tonight on 'World News with Charles Gibson' and 'Nightline'. "I'm absolutely certain that in my situation, it was not the floor mats," Elizabeth James told ABC News. She was driving her Toyota Prius outside Denver, CO when she says it suddenly shot up to 90 miles an hour, even though her foot was on the brake and not the gas pedal. "I kept going faster and faster," James said. "And all of a sudden… my foot was pressing on the brake super, super hard and I wasn't slowing down." James and some other Toyota owners suspect the accidents have been caused by some kind of glitch in the electronic computer system used in Toyotas that controls the throttle. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2...at-recall.html Last edited by HemiEd; 11-04-2009 at 12:48 PM..
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02-01-2010, 06:08 PM	#317
HemiEd Supporter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ozarks Casino cash: $3060564	Lots of doubt about the latest line of BS handed out by Toyota. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,4401302.story Toyota Motor Corp.'s decision to blame its widening sudden-acceleration problem on a gas pedal defect came under attack Friday, with the pedal manufacturer flatly denying that its products were at fault. Federal vehicle safety records reviewed by The Times also cast doubt on Toyota's claims that sticky gas pedals were a significant factor in the growing reports of runaway vehicles. Of more than 2,000 motorist complaints of sudden acceleration in Toyota and Lexus vehicles over the last decade, just 5% blamed a sticking gas pedal, the analysis found. What's more, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has conducted eight investigations into sudden-acceleration problems in Toyota vehicles over the last seven years, none of which identified a sticking pedal as a potential cause. "The way the sudden-acceleration problems are occurring in reported incidents doesn't comport with how this sticky pedal is described," said Sean Kane, president of Safety Research & Strategies, a Rehoboth, Mass., auto safety consulting firm. "We know this recall is a red herring." Sudden-acceleration events in Toyota and Lexus vehicles have been blamed for at least 19 fatalities and 815 vehicle crashes since 1999. Toyota last fall blamed the episodes on floor mats that entrapped the gas pedals, leading to a massive recall. Then last week Toyota said sticking gas pedals were also causing sudden acceleration by not springing back into idle position, triggering another recall. On Tuesday, the automaker stopped sales and production of eight models until it could remedy the problem. Independent auto safety experts have been skeptical of Toyota's explanations, saying floor mats and sticky gas pedals can't fully explain the large number of complaints that have been mounting for the last decade, covering some of the most popular models in the company's lineup, including the Camry.
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02-01-2010, 06:10 PM	#318
Bugeater The Maintenance Guy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Renovated Bugeater Estate Casino cash: $6232680	Well all we can do is wait and see if it happens to a car with the updated pedal. If it does, Toyota is really going to be up a shit creek.
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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $2919627 VARSITY	http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2010-02-03-electromagnetic03_ST_N.htm The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is investigating whether electromagnetic signals such as those from radar and cellphones could be interfering with electronic gas-pedal controls in vehicles including Toyotas, according to a federal official with direct knowledge of the inquiry __________________ Time is worth more than money.
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02-03-2010, 09:09 AM	#324
JD10367 Cheaterlover* Join Date: May 2009 Location: RI Casino cash: $10010716	Not sure I'm fond of electronic gas-pedal control. I know my Smart has it, and it works fine, but still... not sure I like the idea of a software glitch causing my car to accelerate. Sure, a mechanical connection may need oiling and adjusting, but sometimes tried-and-true is the better way to go, IMO.
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