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[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

Byrd and Shields would be great gets, and I'd rather spend a pick on Maclin or Harvin than Jennings at this point.

Spending picks on veterans should be absolutely out of the question this season.

The Chiefs choose either #1 or #2 in each round, in addition to the additional 3rd rounder (which cannot be traded) for Carr.

They need to load up on young talent, not trade it away.

[KC Dan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Spending picks on veterans should be absolutely out of the question this season.

The Chiefs choose either #1 or #2 in each round, in addition to the additional 3rd rounder (which cannot be traded) for Carr.

They need to load up on young talent, not trade it away.

This!

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Spending picks on veterans should be absolutely out of the question this season.

The Chiefs choose either #1 or #2 in each round, in addition to the additional 3rd rounder (which cannot be traded) for Carr.

They need to load up on young talent, not trade it away.

You wouldn't trade the second pick in teh second round for Harvin?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

You wouldn't trade the second pick in teh second round for Harvin?

**** no.

He's missed games due to migraines and injuries. He's unreliable. I'd rather take a chance in the draft or free agency before giving up a pick, ESPECIALLY pick number 34.

That's absurd.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by O.city

You wouldn't trade the second pick in teh second round for Harvin?

No maybe a 4th.

[RunKC]

I think this team desperately needs some veterans, but not in the draft.

Bring in 3 or 4 vets in FA and then inject the team with youth through the draft.

[Ugly Duck]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I think this team desperately needs some veterans, but not in the draft.

No worries.... its very unusual for teams to look for veterans in the draft.....

[ChiefGator]

Originally Posted by Ugly Duck

No worries.... its very unusual for teams to look for veterans in the draft.....

Ha!

"So NONE of these guys have ANY experience in the NFL?!?"

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

No maybe a 4th.

Yeah, I'm sure that'll get him.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Dave

Yeah, I'm sure that'll get him.

Injury and coachability concerns have harpooned trade value before. I'm not saying a fourth will get him, but it really wouldn't surprise me, frankly, if the vikings are tired of his shit.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by Dave

Yeah, I'm sure that'll get him.

ESPN Twin Cities reports Percy Harvin and coach Leslie Frazier had yet another heated exchange that likely contributed to the receiver being placed on injured reserve earlier this month.
It's the third documented issue with Harvin and the organization since June. The exchange is believed to have begun in the training room and has fueled speculation that the "deteriorating" relationship between the two men could lead to Harvin's exit from Minnesota. Seeking a new contract and frustrated with the identity of the Vikings offense, Harvin briefly issued a trade request last offseason. The team will have to decide whether to offer him a long-term deal heavy on performance-based incentives and escalators or prepare to shop him in March and April. One NFL personnel man estimates that Harvin would draw a second- or third-round pick in a contract year.


Plus he's missed games the last 2 years. No team is gonna give them a 2nd round pick.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

ESPN Twin Cities reports Percy Harvin and coach Leslie Frazier had yet another heated exchange that likely contributed to the receiver being placed on injured reserve earlier this month.
It's the third documented issue with Harvin and the organization since June. The exchange is believed to have begun in the training room and has fueled speculation that the "deteriorating" relationship between the two men could lead to Harvin's exit from Minnesota. Seeking a new contract and frustrated with the identity of the Vikings offense, Harvin briefly issued a trade request last offseason. The team will have to decide whether to offer him a long-term deal heavy on performance-based incentives and escalators or prepare to shop him in March and April. One NFL personnel man estimates that Harvin would draw a second- or third-round pick in a contract year.


Plus he's missed games the last 2 years. No team is gonna give them a 2nd round pick.

I'd be surprised if it only took a 4th for him.

Not interested though. Misses too many games.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

ESPN Twin Cities reports Percy Harvin and coach Leslie Frazier had yet another heated exchange that likely contributed to the receiver being placed on injured reserve earlier this month.
It's the third documented issue with Harvin and the organization since June. The exchange is believed to have begun in the training room and has fueled speculation that the "deteriorating" relationship between the two men could lead to Harvin's exit from Minnesota. Seeking a new contract and frustrated with the identity of the Vikings offense, Harvin briefly issued a trade request last offseason. The team will have to decide whether to offer him a long-term deal heavy on performance-based incentives and escalators or prepare to shop him in March and April. One NFL personnel man estimates that Harvin would draw a second- or third-round pick in a contract year.


Plus he's missed games the last 2 years. No team is gonna give them a 2nd round pick.

Not only a potato chip player(hurt all the time) but a 'drama queen' as well. NO thx !!

The draft this year is deep for good WR talent so screw Harvin and Jennings.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Spending picks on veterans should be absolutely out of the question this season.

The Chiefs choose either #1 or #2 in each round, in addition to the additional 3rd rounder (which cannot be traded) for Carr.

They need to load up on young talent, not trade it away.

Maclin and Harvin are both 24 - how are either of them not 'young talent'?

Those are exactly the kinds of guys you would be willing to give away a good pick for. No, you don't give a pick up for a guy like Jennings, but both Harvin and Maclin have 5+ years left in their primes. And they're sure-fire NFL contributors. They've gone through the WR learning curve (which is surprisingly steep) and they fit our need across from Bowe perfectly.

Look, I know we want to stockpile talent and getting rid of picks hurts, but even the best GMs bat .500 on a good day. If you could trade a 2nd rounder for a guy like Harvin or a 3rd for Maclin, you're getting exactly what you're asking for - young talent.

Or you could keep them and get young...something. Maybe it's young talent, maybe it's young roster fodder. It's almost certainly not going to be better than Harvin and the odds suggest it not being better than Maclin.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Maclin and Harvin are both 24 - how are either of them not 'young talent'?

Those are exactly the kinds of guys you would be willing to give away a good pick for. No, you don't give a pick up for a guy like Jennings, but both Harvin and Maclin have 5+ years left in their primes. And they're sure-fire NFL contributors. They've gone through the WR learning curve (which is surprisingly steep) and they fit our need across from Bowe perfectly.

Look, I know we want to stockpile talent and getting rid of picks hurts, but even the best GMs bat .500 on a good day. If you could trade a 2nd rounder for a guy like Harvin or a 3rd for Maclin, you're getting exactly what you're asking for - young talent.

Or you could keep them and get young...something. Maybe it's young talent, maybe it's young roster fodder. It's almost certainly not going to be better than Harvin and the odds suggest it not being better than Maclin.

Harvin's a ****ball and Maclin, IMO, is nothing special.

There's no ****ing way I'd give up the #34 or the #77 for either. Maybe the 4th rounder (somewhere around #110, after the compensatory picks) for Maclin but even then, that pick could provide depth on the interior line or a starting ILB.

Either way, I'm not a fan.