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How Long Will America Lead the World?

I guess this is a "Part 2" to this thread...

Intel's Andy Grove is more blunt. "America ... [is going] down the tubes," he says, "and the worst part is nobody knows it. They're all in denial, patting themselves on the back, as the Titanic heads for the iceberg full speed ahead."


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13123358/site/newsweek/

How Long Will America Lead the World?

The United States is still the dominant force in technology, innovation, productivity and profits. But Americans don't quite realize how fast the rest of the world is catching up.

By Fareed Zakaria
Newsweek

June 12, 2006 issue - Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee, held in London on June 22, 1897, was one of the grandest fetes the world has ever seen: 46,000 troops and 11 colonial prime ministers arrived from the four corners of the earth to pay homage to their sovereign. The event was as much a celebration of Victoria's 60 years on the throne as it was of Britain's superpower status. In 1897, Queen Victoria ruled over a quarter of the world's population and a fifth of its territory, all connected by the latest marvel of British technology, the telegraph, and patrolled by the Royal Navy, which was larger than the next two navies put together. "The world took note," says the historian Karl Meyer. The New York Times gushed: "We are a part ... of the Greater Britain which seems so plainly destined to dominate this planet'."

An 8-year-old boy, Arnold Toynbee, who became a great historian, watched the parade while sitting on his uncle's shoulders. "I remember the atmosphere," he later wrote. "It was: well, here we are on the top of the world, and we have arrived at this peak to stay there—forever! There is, of course, a thing called history, but history is something unpleasant that happens to other people."

Well, Americans have replaced Britons atop the world, and we are now worried that history is happening to us. History has arrived in the form of "Three Billion New Capitalists," as Clyde Prestowitz's recent book puts it, people from countries like China, India and the former Soviet Union, which all once scorned the global market economy but are now enthusiastic and increasingly sophisticated participants in it. They are poorer, hungrier and in some cases well trained, and will inevitably compete with Americans and America for a slice of the pie. A Goldman Sachs study concludes that by 2045, China will be the largest economy in the world, replacing the United States.

It is not just writers like Prestowitz who are sounding alarms. Jeffrey Immelt, CEO of GE, reflects on the growing competence and cost advantage of countries like China and even Mexico and says, "It's unclear how many manufacturers will choose to keep their businesses in the United States." Intel's Andy Grove is more blunt. "America ... [is going] down the tubes," he says, "and the worst part is nobody knows it. They're all in denial, patting themselves on the back, as the Titanic heads for the iceberg full speed ahead."

Much of the concern centers on the erosion of science and technology in the U.S., particularly in education. Eight months ago, the national academies of sciences, engineering and medicine came together to put out a report that argued that the "scientific and technical building blocks of our economic leadership are eroding at a time when many nations are gathering strength." President Bush has also jumped onto the competitiveness issue and recently proposed increases in funding certain science programs. (He has not, however, reversed a steady decline in funding for biomedical sciences.) Some speak of these new challenges with an air of fatalism. The national academies' report points out that China and India combined graduate 950,000 engineers every year, compared with 70,000 in America; that for the cost of one chemist or engineer in the U.S. a company could hire five chemists in China or 11 engineers in India; that of the 120 $1 billion-plus chemical plants being built around the world one is in the United States and 50 are in China.

There are some who see the decline of science and technology as part of a larger cultural decay. A country that once adhered to a Puritan ethic of delayed gratification has become one that revels in instant pleasures. We're losing interest in the basics—math, manufacturing, hard work, savings—and becoming a postindustrial society that specializes in consumption and leisure. "More people will graduate in the United States in 2006 with sports-exercise degrees than electrical-engineering degrees," says Immelt. "So, if we want to be the massage capital of the world, we're well on our way."


There is a puzzle in all this, however, which is that these trends and features have been around for a while, and they do not seem to have had an impact—so far at least—on the bottom line, which is GDP growth. Over the past 20 years, America's growth rate has averaged just over 3 percent, a full percentage point higher than that of Germany and France. (Japan averaged 2.3 percent over the same period.) Productivity growth, the elixir of modern economics, has been over 2.5 percent for a decade now, again a full percentage point higher than the European average. In 1980, the United States made up 22 percent of world output; today that has risen to 29 percent. The U.S. is currently ranked the second most competitive economy in the world (by the World Economic Forum), and is first in technology and innovation, first in technological readiness, first in company spending for research and technology and first in the quality of its research institutions. China does not come within 30 countries of the U.S. on any of these points, and India breaks the top 10 on only one count: the availability of scientists and engineers. In virtually every sector that advanced industrial countries participate in, U.S. firms lead the world in productivity and profits.

The situation with regard to higher education is even more dramatic. A new report, "The Future of European Universities," from the London-based Center for European Reform, points out that of the world's 20 top universities, 18 are American. The U.S. invests 2.6 percent of its GDP on higher education, compared with 1.2 percent in Europe and 1.1 percent in Japan. The situation in the sciences is particularly striking. A list of where the world's 1,000 best computer scientists were educated shows that the top 10 schools were all American. Our spending on R&D remains higher than Europe's, and our collaborations between business and educational institutions are unmatched anywhere in the world. America remains by far the most attractive destination for students, taking 30 percent of the total number of foreign students globally. These advantages will not be erased easily because the structure of European and Japanese universities—mostly state-run bureaucracies—is unlikely to change. And while China and India are creating new institutions, it is not that easy to create a world-class university out of whole cloth in a few decades.

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The best evidence of this lack of fear is that no one is willing to talk about any kind of serious solutions that impose any pain on society. Politicians talk a great deal about competitiveness and propose new programs and initiatives. But the proposals are small potatoes compared with, say, farm subsidies, and no one would ever suggest trimming the latter to dramatically increase spending on the sciences. The great competitive problems that the American economy faces would require strong and sometimes unpleasant medicine. Our entitlement programs are set to bankrupt the country, the health-care system is an expensive time bomb, our savings rate is zero, we are borrowing 80 percent of the world's savings and our national bill for litigation is now larger than for research and development. None of these problems is a deep-seated cultural mark of decay. They are products of government policy. Different policies could easily correct them. But taking such steps means doing something that is hard and unpopular.

The genius of America's success is that the United States is a rich country with many of the attributes of a scrappy, developing society. It is open, flexible and adventurous, often unmindful of history and tradition. Its people work hard, putting in longer hours than those in other rich countries. Much of this has do to with the history and culture of the society. A huge amount of it has to do with immigration, which keeps America constantly renewed by streams of hardworking people, desperate to succeed. Science laboratories in America are more than half filled with foreign students and immigrants. Without them, America's leadership position in the sciences would collapse. That is why America, alone among industrial nations, has been able to do the nearly impossible: renew its power and stay at the top of the game for a century now. We can expand our science programs—and we should—but we will never be able to compete with India and China in the production of engineers. No matter what we do, they will have more, and cheaper, labor. What we can do is take the best features of the America system—openness, innovation, immigration and flexibility—and enhance them, so that they can respond to new challenges by creating new industries, new technologies and new jobs, as we have in the past.

Our greatest danger is that when the American public does begin to get scared, they will try to shut down the very features of the country that have made it so successful. They will want to shut out foreign companies, be less welcoming to immigrants and close themselves off from competition and collaboration. Over the past year there have already been growing paranoia on all these fronts. If we go down this path, we will remain a rich country and a stable one. We will be less troubled by the jarring changes that the new world is pushing forward. But like Britain after Queen Victoria's reign, it will be a future of slow, steady national decline. History will happen to us after all.

(full article at the link above)
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Old 06-04-2006, 09:30 PM   #31
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I truley believe that it all starts with the individual, and that start is taking pride in what you do. We, as a nation, seem to have taken the attitude of quantity over quality with little care about the finished product...as long as it sells. We need to get our priorities straightened out and the rest will take care of itself.
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Our economy is growing increasingly towards a service-based economy. Outsourcing, as bad as it is in a short-term setting will become more and more commonplace as time goes on. To fill in these gaps of unemployment will be jobs that are driven by service rather than goods.

Since Americans get paid some of the highest salaries of anyone in the world, after a point the only jobs available are going to be ones that can't leave, like your dry-cleaners, computer repairmen, teachers, and whatnot.

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What's killing American competitiveness? Too much money, says VC
June 8, 2006 2:36 PM PDT

We're all aware by now that the American educational system is in a state of serious decline, but we face another problem too: Wall Street pays people too much.

Too many U.S. college students are being pulled away into management, hedge funds and other similar jobs where the main function is servicing someone else's legacy, according to David Strohm, general partner at Greylock, at the Venture Capital Investing Conference taking place in San Francisco.

Engineering and science students still seem to have start-up fever. But outside of those departments, which are seeing declining enrollments, most students seem content to work for the man rather than kick off a new venture.

"In the vast majority of companies I look at today, the leaders are Israelis, Indians, Chinese, Finns, Danes. They aren't coming out of the American culture," he said. "Liquidity is a major problem."

An excess of money can kill start-ups too, he added. "When you put $7 million into a company that could have been started with $2 million, you've got problems. The first step they do is hire three to four headhunting firms who hire too many overpriced executives."

Granted, one could say that's a great opinion for David to have. He's likely made quite a bit of money as a venture capitalist for more than two decades.

But think of it this way. When was the last time you met a Wall Street analyst, or a VP of marketing and thought, "You can just tell from his sparkling intelligence that he's worth every penny of that high six figure salary."

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The book "The World is Flat" by Thomas Friedman paints a pretty dim future in terms of America's domination of the world. Basically, we have had all the opportunities available to us for years, so our education system has become lazy. Students simply aren't motivated to challenge themselves as much. Meanwhile, other countries like China have been working their asses off just to try and survive. Now that they are getting opportunities via the worldwide availability and the internet, there are tons of extremely knowledgeable and extremely motivated individuals coming out of those countries. Chances are, our reign as the dominant nation of the world will be over in a decade or less.
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I truley believe that it all starts with the individual, and that start is taking pride in what you do. We, as a nation, seem to have taken the attitude of quantity over quality with little care about the finished product...as long as it sells. We need to get our priorities straightened out and the rest will take care of itself.
I worked in manufacturing for a while made 1/25 million dollar machines for semiconductor industry. One boss I had followed the MCmanufacturing philosophy, want everyone to be like every other one, even ifg they are crap at least they are fast and consistant....

I was young and believed back then, called him out in a meeting...
these art custom jobs made by skilled craftsmen and some are gonna be shit, and some are gonna be ****in' art and what you proposing is bullshit we gotta strive to be the best or why play?

I was transfered to a different dept inside a month
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The book "The World is Flat" by Thomas Friedman paints a pretty dim future in terms of America's domination of the world. Basically, we have had all the opportunities available to us for years, so our education system has become lazy. Students simply aren't motivated to challenge themselves as much. Meanwhile, other countries like China have been working their asses off just to try and survive. Now that they are getting opportunities via the worldwide availability and the internet, there are tons of extremely knowledgeable and extremely motivated individuals coming out of those countries. Chances are, our reign as the dominant nation of the world will be over in a decade or less.
The flip side of that, though, is that the most ambitious of the third-worlders come here, giving us both a short-term advantage and a long-term edge. It's not so much about the people, it's about the political, social, and physical infrastructure that allows people to thrive. I'm not sure that China has that infrastructure.
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I truley believe that it all starts with the individual, and that start is taking pride in what you do. We, as a nation, seem to have taken the attitude of quantity over quality with little care about the finished product...as long as it sells. We need to get our priorities straightened out and the rest will take care of itself.
That is one of the best posts I've ever read ...



The problem, of course, is that most people see their jobs as just that: just a job. I know I'm guilty of it on occassion.

And part of the reason for that, IMHO, is that the only ones who seem to get ahead are the ass kissers, the executives, and the owners (which would include the stock holders as well). Those who just show up and work their asses off get squat.

Sure, there are still success stories -- someone going from nothing to something (not necessarily butt-ass rich; just successful). But those successes are becoming fewer and farther between, and the stories aren't all that interesting.

And part of the reason for that (again, IMHO) is our "get it now!" mentality. No one has the patience to stick with something and work toward its success. They want to be millionaires overnight, with little or no effort. Whether its sports, the lottery, the Internet boom, etc., it seems folks are far more interested in the wealth than the satisfaction of earning it.

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The flip side of that, though, is that the most ambitious of the third-worlders come here, giving us both a short-term advantage and a long-term edge. It's not so much about the people, it's about the political, social, and physical infrastructure that allows people to thrive. I'm not sure that China has that infrastructure.
Keep in mind that they don't need the infrastructure density that we have, because their population is so huge. They can complete with only 15-20% of their population being similarly advanced.
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I know a guy who thinks Americas downfall is caused by the mixing of races and ethnicities. Germans (heritages) mixing with Italians, Japanese breeding with Dutch, Spanish with Irish and so on.

It's dilluting the country, he swears.

Yeah, I heard of him too. Didn't he die in a bunker about 60 years ago?
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