Chiefs just assured themselves of five more years of mediocrity

homebizy · 12-17-2000, 01:09 AM

What has Carl Peterson done to warrant a five year extension?? No playoffs in three years, no playoff wins in seven years, and a legacy of horrendous drafts and cap management.

This extension only strengthens my argument that the bottom line in KC is profitability, filling the seats and keeping fans interested. Any other General Manager with Carl's record would be long gone by now. 12 years is more than enough time to get it done. Peterson hasnt and is rewarded with a five year extension.

17 years. What a freakin joke. In 12 years, Peterson's teams have gotten three playoff wins. I wonder how many he will have after 17 years. My guess is three.

DoktorSmith · 12-17-2000, 09:48 AM

I am somewhat ambivalent on the subject of Carl.

On the one hand, he kept us competitive throughout the 90s. A noteworthy accomplishment in the salary-cap hobbled NFL. He brought exactly the right coach to KC when he hired Schottenheimer. He obtained players that suited Marty’s conservative, Defense-first scheme. When the fans grew tired of competitive and wanted champion, he took on some players of questionable character and the team collapsed when Marty lost control.

On the other hand, his drafts were far too conservative for my taste and he had no ability to judge Offensive talent. His draft picks have improved considerably over the last few years. He hired the wrong coach in Gunther when Art Shell was available. I do not fault him for the decision, but it will judge him on whether or not Gunther is retained as HC after this season.

On balance, Carl has been an asset to the team. Perhaps he has run out of steam. We will find out soon enough if Carl has the juice to make this team competitive again. An every-down HB and a new coaching staff will be the yardstick by which I will measure Carl.

xoxo~
gaz
would have preferred a two or three year contract with performance incentives.<BR>

Luzap · 12-17-2000, 10:04 AM

While it was my preference to see a change, I am not as distraught at Carl staying as I am at the thought of Gunther & The stooges being retained.

At the [b]VERY, AND I DO MEAN VERY[/b] least Stock and Kurt must go. If they give Elvis & JR a decent RB and they still fail then we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that JR & Gun must go.(Although I still believe that a staff housecleaning is in order now).

On a different note Packfan, I saw the article on the negotiations between the Packers & Favre on a "lifetime" contract. He is asking a bonus in the amount of $20 million dollars as part of his new contract.
For a guy whose skills have diminished as much as Favre's have, do you think this would be a wise investment on their part? never mind what he has done in the past, let's grade him on what he is worth now...

mark
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homebizy · 12-17-2000, 11:36 AM

Mark,

According to Favre in a televised interview, he and the Packers are not close to a new deal. Favre is not the one who wants to renegotiate, the team does. So I doubt that Favre has demanded 20 million up front. He is still under contract for a few more years.

As far as diminished skills, I beg to differ. I have seen every Packer game this year and his skills have not diminished. In some regards, I think this is one of his better years. His receivers are dropping balls left and right. His rookie tightend is lost out there. He is playing with two rookie tackles, his third coach in three years, and without Dorsey Levens who did all the little things right i.e. pick up the blitz, know where to be for the dump off. He has slowed down in terms of being able to avoid the rush. But make no mistake about it, without Brett Favre, this team wins three games at the most. IMO, he is still the best QB, and most reliable, in the NFL.

milkman · 12-17-2000, 11:55 AM

And packfan 5 more years without his season ticket, so sad.

nmt1 · 12-17-2000, 03:32 PM

Gaz, I don't believe ambivalent applies to your statements.

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Go Chiefs · 12-17-2000, 03:54 PM

Well, this is a post we all knew was forthcoming. So, almighty Packfan please grace us with your wisdom and tell us what can be done about it now. You are obviously the smartest, most wise fan in the NFL and I would like to apologise for Lamar Hunt for not hiring you to replace King Carl. Now, it appears this deal is done and there is nothing your continuous banter will do about that. Drop it and let's move on.<P>

KCTitus · 12-17-2000, 05:16 PM

Gee Ken, look at the upside of this, now you have something to b!tch about for """""five more years!""""

**Baby Lee** · 12-17-2000, 06:46 PM

It's to the point where I want to see a housecleaning just so Packfool, the almighty master of contradictions, might go elsewhere.

sighhhhhhhhh..........Al Gore style........

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-17-2000, 11:01 PM

and you know what this means...... it means we will have to put up with little kenny's nonsense and babbling for five more years. just think five more years of arguing with some one who doesn't even know what halfback is. and someone who ignores you when you present facts to prove him wrong. oh god whatever will we do

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12-17-2000, 01:09 AM	Topic Starter
homebizy Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Carl Junction,MO 64834 Casino cash: $10004900	What has Carl Peterson done to warrant a five year extension?? No playoffs in three years, no playoff wins in seven years, and a legacy of horrendous drafts and cap management. This extension only strengthens my argument that the bottom line in KC is profitability, filling the seats and keeping fans interested. Any other General Manager with Carl's record would be long gone by now. 12 years is more than enough time to get it done. Peterson hasnt and is rewarded with a five year extension. 17 years. What a freakin joke. In 12 years, Peterson's teams have gotten three playoff wins. I wonder how many he will have after 17 years. My guess is three.
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12-17-2000, 09:48 AM	#2
DoktorSmith Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10004900	I am somewhat ambivalent on the subject of Carl. On the one hand, he kept us competitive throughout the 90s. A noteworthy accomplishment in the salary-cap hobbled NFL. He brought exactly the right coach to KC when he hired Schottenheimer. He obtained players that suited Marty’s conservative, Defense-first scheme. When the fans grew tired of competitive and wanted champion, he took on some players of questionable character and the team collapsed when Marty lost control. On the other hand, his drafts were far too conservative for my taste and he had no ability to judge Offensive talent. His draft picks have improved considerably over the last few years. He hired the wrong coach in Gunther when Art Shell was available. I do not fault him for the decision, but it will judge him on whether or not Gunther is retained as HC after this season. On balance, Carl has been an asset to the team. Perhaps he has run out of steam. We will find out soon enough if Carl has the juice to make this team competitive again. An every-down HB and a new coaching staff will be the yardstick by which I will measure Carl. xoxo~ gaz would have preferred a two or three year contract with performance incentives.<BR>
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12-17-2000, 10:04 AM	#3
Luzap 9.89 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dallas, TX Casino cash: $10004900	While it was my preference to see a change, I am not as distraught at Carl staying as I am at the thought of Gunther & The stooges being retained. At the [b]VERY, AND I DO MEAN VERY[/b] least Stock and Kurt must go. If they give Elvis & JR a decent RB and they still fail then we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that JR & Gun must go.(Although I still believe that a staff housecleaning is in order now). On a different note Packfan, I saw the article on the negotiations between the Packers & Favre on a "lifetime" contract. He is asking a bonus in the amount of $20 million dollars as part of his new contract. For a guy whose skills have diminished as much as Favre's have, do you think this would be a wise investment on their part? never mind what he has done in the past, let's grade him on what he is worth now... mark ************
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12-17-2000, 11:36 AM	#4
homebizy Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Carl Junction,MO 64834 Casino cash: $10004900	Mark, According to Favre in a televised interview, he and the Packers are not close to a new deal. Favre is not the one who wants to renegotiate, the team does. So I doubt that Favre has demanded 20 million up front. He is still under contract for a few more years. As far as diminished skills, I beg to differ. I have seen every Packer game this year and his skills have not diminished. In some regards, I think this is one of his better years. His receivers are dropping balls left and right. His rookie tightend is lost out there. He is playing with two rookie tackles, his third coach in three years, and without Dorsey Levens who did all the little things right i.e. pick up the blitz, know where to be for the dump off. He has slowed down in terms of being able to avoid the rush. But make no mistake about it, without Brett Favre, this team wins three games at the most. IMO, he is still the best QB, and most reliable, in the NFL.
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12-17-2000, 11:55 AM	#5
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	And packfan 5 more years without his season ticket, so sad.
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12-17-2000, 03:32 PM	#6
nmt1 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Gaz, I don't believe ambivalent applies to your statements. ------------------ GO PITT!
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12-17-2000, 03:54 PM	#7
Go Chiefs Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: St. Joseph, MO USA Casino cash: $10004900	Well, this is a post we all knew was forthcoming. So, almighty Packfan please grace us with your wisdom and tell us what can be done about it now. You are obviously the smartest, most wise fan in the NFL and I would like to apologise for Lamar Hunt for not hiring you to replace King Carl. Now, it appears this deal is done and there is nothing your continuous banter will do about that. Drop it and let's move on.<P>
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12-17-2000, 05:16 PM	#8
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9892732	Gee Ken, look at the upside of this, now you have something to b!tch about for """""five more years!""""
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12-17-2000, 06:46 PM	#9
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6838598	It's to the point where I want to see a housecleaning just so Packfool, the almighty master of contradictions, might go elsewhere. sighhhhhhhhh..........Al Gore style........
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12-17-2000, 11:01 PM	#10
Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $762813	and you know what this means...... it means we will have to put up with little kenny's nonsense and babbling for five more years. just think five more years of arguing with some one who doesn't even know what halfback is. and someone who ignores you when you present facts to prove him wrong. oh god whatever will we do ------------------ ~R.I.P. Tupac Shakur~
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