List the current NFL coaches that are better than Andy Reid

[Titty Meat]

I was thinking about this yesterday. I think we can say we have a top 10 coach. Havent been able to say that since Marty.

In no particular order here are the guys who are better head coaches than Reid:

John Harbaugh
Jim Harbaugh
Tom Coughlin
Sean Payton
B.B.


I would probably put Reid behind those guys.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Cannibal

I think Reid has final call here too.

It's just a hunch, but I have a feeling Reid tells Dorsey what he wants and then Dorsey gets it. I don't think Dorsey is making all personnel decisions. Reid is letting Dorsey know which roster spots he wants improved and then letting Dorsey select the players.

final call isn't the same as being a GM/HC imo

[Cannibal]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

final call isn't the same as being a GM/HC imo

I agree.

I think he's letting Dorsey make the picks. But he's telling Dorsey what he wants. That's just my opinion, I have no facts to back that up.

I think a set up like that could work too.

[Beef Supreme]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I know this is probably not a popular position, but I think Pete Carroll is a fantastic coach. He took a relatively unpopular team that existed on nobody's radar and turned them into a loaded powerhouse. Even before Russell Wilson, I thought most of his moves have been really smart.

I agree that Pete Carroll is doing a good job in Seattle, but I have a feeling they were much improved over the previous season because half the team is on steroids.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by houstonwhodat

Has he ever really had a real quarterback?

I'm not sure if McNabb counts.

McNabb was a nitwit, but Reid managed to make him look good after several seasons. Reid runs Bill Walsh's system perhaps the best of all those guys on Walsh's tree. Holmgren would be a close second.

I'm originally from NYC -- a Giants fan and I know Reid as well as any NFCE fan does. So, I don't have any question Reid is a great offensive coach. You folks are about to find out Reid is a clever OC with an arsenal of plays few coaches have ever employed.

It's his ability to HC a team with that kind of content on both offense and defense I call into question. We know this Chiefs defense, we should be able to judge this part of the equation by season's end.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet

I agree that Pete Carroll is doing a good job in Seattle, but I have a feeling they were much improved over the previous season because half the team is on steroids.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Cannibal

I think Reid has final call here too.

It's just a hunch, but I have a feeling Reid tells Dorsey what he wants and then Dorsey gets it. I don't think Dorsey is making all personnel decisions. Reid is letting Dorsey know which roster spots he wants improved and then letting Dorsey select the players.

I agree with this. I think Kelce was all Reid, but he knew him probably better than any coach in the NFL.

I think Reid is letting Dorsey choose the players for the most part though. I think he really trusts his evaluations.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

You're talking about Reid like this is 2004. There's an old addage that the NFL is a bunch of teams that fall between 6-10 and 10-6, a few really bad teams and a few really good teams. Reid's Eagles have personified that middle-of-the-pack mediocrity for years. Two losing seasons (6-10 in '05, 4-12 in '12), two .500 seasons (2007, 2011), two 10-win seasons (2006, 2010) and one 11-win season (2009). Most worrisome to me is that ownership gave him literally everything he wanted in 2011 and 2012 and the team tanked. 12-20 with a roster that could've been built in Madden? That's pretty scary. And not in a good way.

So why do you think Kubiak is better? What exactly has he done?

[houstonwhodat]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

So why do you think Kubiak is better? What exactly has he done?

**** Kubiak.

Too conservative and he has no balls.

He can't even watch a kicker kick a field goal. He has to look away.

[Just Passin' By]

Bill Belichick
Tom Coughlin
John Harbaugh
Jim Harbaugh
Mike McCarthy
Sean Payton
Mike Shanahan
Mike Smith
Mike Tomlin

I'd put Reid in a group below that, fighting for the #10 spot.

[RunKC]

Kubiak doesn't deserve to be in the same breath as Reid. He's only beaten a horrible Bengals franchise in the playoffs twice.

Plus Schaub sucks ass. He's an offensive guru and he can't get him to be anything more than average.

[ChiefGator]

Go back to the video interview of Dorsey after they drafted the Fullbak. It was very interesting. He said something like "When Reid told me what type of fullback he likes for his offense, he was describing this player to a 'T'." I just thought it was a very interesting revelation on how they work together.

[DaWolf]

It's such a tough thing to quantify. For example, if you take Big Ben, RG3, Rodgers, Eli, or Brees away from those coaches and give them to Reid, does Reid then leapfrog them as the better coach?

Like people have mentioned, McNabb was good for a while, but he was never in the stratosphere of some of those QB's. That said, until Reid wins the big one, I agree that he can't be considered as good. But he's got to find himself a franchise QB in the next 3-5 years...

Originally Posted by RunKC

Belichik
Harbaugh
Tomlin
Shannahan
McCarthy
Coughlin
Payton

I would consider Fisher and Fox to be at the same level, but I think Andy's style fits more with the way the NFL is played today.

John Fox is too conservative. We saw that in January.

[The Bad Guy]

Gary Kubiak over Reid?

I think Gary Kubiak is in the bottom 3rd of coaches in the NFL.

[The Bad Guy]

I'm also not sure why people are surprised Reid couldn't win with a super team. Look around sports. That model never works.

[The Bad Guy]

Oh and Knownothing, next time you rep me a link to an article insisting Andy Reid is the worst game manager of all time, I'm going to send you a permanent loop of John Fox taking a knee with Peyton Manning against the Ravens last year.