Bronco's make a trade

[LaChapelle]

Broncos acquire defensive lineman Smith from Patriots
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 17, 2009 11:27 AM ET
Five months after the Matt Cassel trade rumors reached Jay Cutler's sensitive ears, the Broncos and Patriots finally made a deal happen Monday.

This one won't shake up the rest of the league quite as much.

Fox's Alex Marvez has the terms: The Broncos acquired reserve defensive end Le Kevin Smith and a 2010 seventh-round pick from the Patriots in exchange for Denver's 2010 fifth-round selection.

Smith was a rarely used reserve since getting taken as a sixth-round pick in 2006, but will give Denver another body for their thin defensive line.

The move also takes care of some housekeeping for the Patriots. Denver's fifth-round pick will likely be sent to Oakland to complete the Derrick Burgess trade. Oakland also received a third-round pick in 2010 in that deal.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Nah. WR. WR is about the worst there is. Sure, you can point to an odd Terry Glenn or whatever, but usually WRs, whether destined to be great or mediocre, don't do much worth talking about their rookie years.

I think that is arguable. Although I do agree WR's generally don't have a lot of success their first year in the league, but most experts will tell you defensive line take longer to develop. than any position other than QB.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

You pointed out one name out of the 20 or so I listed. I will give you Tamba if you really want.

Everyone here knows that defensive lineman take a while to develop. I'm not saying that Tyson Jackson will not be a good player someday, but odds are that he won't be good right out of the gate.

um, you point is easily disprovable...i only selected the most obvious example....

it was obvious you pulled together a list without knowing anything about it, or having watched any of them play....ngata? seriously?

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

You pointed out one name out of the 20 or so I listed. I will give you Tamba if you really want.

Everyone here knows that defensive lineman take a while to develop. I'm not saying that Tyson Jackson will not be a good player someday, but odds are that he won't be good right out of the gate.

I'd have to say that Jackson probably has more raw potential for future Pro Bowls than anybody else on either of your rosters. Would you agree with that?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I'd have to say that Jackson probably has more raw potential for future Pro Bowls than anybody else on either of your rosters. Would you agree with that?

It's pretty hard to make the pro bowl as an end without getting a ton of sacks these days...

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I think that is arguable. Although I do agree WR's generally don't have a lot of success their first year in the league, but most experts will tell you defensive line take longer to develop. than any position other than QB.

Ok. I can't argue to unsupported claims of what "most experts" will tell you.

What I've read and seen suggests that WRs are the slowest non-QB developers. The need to understand route adjustments and be on the same page as the QB etc. and be in the right place at the right time -- it's almost impossible to get it right right away.

Most early successful DL have an easy job -- go kill the QB any way you can. Hence the Suggs and Freeneys having decent success even as rookies. There's no "just run up and out every time" for a WR.

[DaFace]

I officially declare KnowMo a homer of epic proportions, and refuse to entertain him with a response from this point forward.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's pretty hard to make the pro bowl as an end without getting a ton of sacks these days...

Again, Richard Seymour.

But yes, your point is well taken. Run stop doesn't impress too many, unless you're a true NG.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

um, you point is easily disprovable...i only selected the most obvious example....

it was obvious you pulled together a list without knowing anything about it, or having watched any of them play....ngata? seriously?

He had 31 tackles and 1 sack his first year and 63 tackles and 3 sacks his second year. He wasn't great from the get go.

I left Luis Castillo off of the list because he played well. I did check these players #'s before I posted.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Ok. I can't argue to unsupported claims of what "most experts" will tell you.

What I've read and seen suggests that WRs are the slowest non-QB developers. The need to understand route adjustments and be on the same page as the QB etc. and be in the right place at the right time -- it's almost impossible to get it right right away.

Most early successful DL have an easy job -- go kill the QB any way you can. Hence the Suggs and Freeneys having decent success even as rookies. There's no "just run up and out every time" for a WR.

Defensive lineman normally don't have good technique coming out of college. They aren't as strong as the offensive lineman they are going against. And they are routinely outsmarted by offensive lineman. Speed rushers with a great first step can come in and get a bunch of sacks, but normally defensive lineman struggle a lot their first year.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Defensive lineman normally don't have good technique coming out of college. They aren't as strong as the offensive lineman they are going against. And they are routinely outsmarted by offensive lineman. Speed rushers with a great first step can come in and get a bunch of sacks, but normally defensive lineman struggle a lot their first year.

I don't recall saying most DL are great their first year. Mostly because I didn't.

DL is a tougher learning curve than many positions, but WR and QB (which you acknowledged) are at least as bad if not worse.

Whatever, we're pretty far afield from the main point of this thread.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Defensive lineman normally don't have good technique coming out of college. They aren't as strong as the offensive lineman they are going against. And they are routinely outsmarted by offensive lineman. Speed rushers with a great first step can come in and get a bunch of sacks, but normally defensive lineman struggle a lot their first year.

Your problem is you're trying to guage effectiveness of DT's by a pure stat sheet.

Another one of your problems is that you are a complete moron. That's not going to be fixed anytime soon.

[Mile High Mania]

I just hope he "comes in and contributes"... takes it "one day at a time"... it's a "team game and they all have one goal"... "gotta take it week by week".

Looks like a nice player, hope for the best and move on. That's all I do.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Denver's DL is better than the Chiefs. Tyson Jackson will be a non factor this year, all rookie defensive lineman are.

Go the **** away douche bag!

[The Bad Guy]

Denver's DL is a complete joke. They are a pack of scrubs. The hilarious thing is the Chiefs DL has some upside with Jackson and Dorsey. The Broncos have absolutely none but yet this douche comes on here trying to blow smoke about a guy from New England that he's never heard of in his life until about 30 mintues ago.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Go the **** away douche bag!