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**BigMeatballDave** · GBM 8-12-15

They know everything. The rest of us are reeruned. Pioli is just a waterboy. Carry on...

wild1 · 04-26-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

With that point, you pretty much nailed the reason why so many people are/where against the Cassel acquisition.

The guy didn't play for seven years and when he finally got on the field, he played behind one of the best offensive lines in the league while throwing to two premiere WR's.

It's difficult to judge his talent and in that case, go with the young guy in Sanchez. Don't waste three years with Cassel, only to find out he was a one-year wonder and a by product of the surrounding greatness.

Not that it matters now...

I wouldn't have hated Sanchez or anything. I would have been OK with that avenue.

I know it will get lampooned as "in pioli we trust", but if Matt Cassel were someone good enough to build a team around, who would know better than the people he worked for?

And there's less cost in terms of the draft, allowing them to do what they think was fill their next most important hole for the next 5 years. It's not dumb, but it's not dumb to have preferred the other choice either.

I'm sure he will always be compared to Sanchez, but if you put a guy in a different team situation, maybe you even get totally different results for Sanchez/Chiefs and Sanchez/Jets.

The debate is kind of pointless in a way, because if Cassel works it's brilliant, if he doesn't, it's not. Whichever side you are on it's that simple.

wild1 · 04-26-2009, 10:14 PM

And I don't really rate the fact that Cassel didn't start at USC. He sat behind Carson Palmer, which would have been true of almost every QB in college football. All the QBs in the draft this year would have sat behind him as well, right.

My guess is that Cassel went to USC because he wanted to compete to QB USC, and like all the QBs they bring in, he was probably a guy who could have started at almost any other school he wanted, and then history would have been written differently.

Of course there are question marks, but I don't see why he has less upside than Sanchez or Stafford. Maybe he does, but I bet the Jets or Lions would be more than pleased if their guys had the season Cassel did last year.

raybec 4 · 04-26-2009, 10:14 PM

I must not be understanding the point here, these guys have opinions that differ from our FO. Our FO differs from a lot of others in the league. So ****in what? Nobody here works in the Chiefs Front Office and nobody that does work in the Chiefs Front Office gives a shit what this board thinks.

It will not be known if this was a good draft for a couple of years, and I'm sure even Pioli himself will admit some of these picks are going to turn out to be mistakes.

|Zach| · 04-27-2009, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by wild1

Good example of why the clique is hated... you present some semblance of a counter, but it's all drowned in "you're stupid".

Right here. Boom.

**kysirsoze** · 04-27-2009, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And even when the Chiefs picked Jackson, it was universally hailed as a reach. People didn't bump Tyson Jackson up in rankings because Pioli was interested in him. People don't bump up Michael Mitchell or Colin Blow in their rankings because of where they were drafted.

That argument is complete ****ing bunk.

And if a team drafts someone, they are always going to say he was their #1 player, even if it was a panicked move. Do you really think Vermeil would have said they panicked when they picked Siavii?

And if Scott Pioli values a run stopping 5 tech as being the third most valuable guy in the draft at worst, he's a ****ing moron.

The arguement isn't whether Jackson was a good pick, it's whether anyone predicted him as #3 until info leaked. Almost no one did. End of arguement.

MoreLemonPledge · 04-27-2009, 05:05 AM

And with the 3rd pick of the 2009 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select Tyson Jackson, Defensive End, LSU

<--Chiefsplanet

okcchief · 04-27-2009, 06:43 AM

Sanchez will have a much better chance to succeed with the Jets since they have an offensive line and a lot more overall talent IMO.

My biggest concern with any QB we have is protection. I hope Cassel has eyes in the back of his head.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-18-2009, 06:13 PM

Since some old threads have been dug up, I thought I'd dig up one of mine to show I was wrong and that Mecca Dane, and Hamas were right all along. Carry on...

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-18-2009, 06:20 PM

Its funny. At the time I made this thread, I meant for the OP to be sarcastic. Turns out that its true for the most part.

philfree · 12-18-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Its funny. At the time I made this thread, I meant for the OP to be sarcastic. Turns out that its true for the most part.

Ha...more sarcasm. Very funny. Very funny

PhilFree

Micjones · 12-18-2009, 06:23 PM

You forgot OTWP.

He completes the foursome of horsemen.

Hammock Parties · 12-18-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

You forgot OTWP.

He completes the foursome of horsemen.

McIntosh, Goff, Niswanger and Albert weren't the four horsemen of the Apo-Cassel-ypse after all!

It was Mecca, Dane, Hamas and OTWP!

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-18-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Ha...more sarcasm. Very funny. Very funny

PhilFree

Actually, not more sarcasm. I was being serious.

I made this thread because they were pissed at the moves the Chiefs had made and were slamming everyone for disagreeing with them. Now that we've seen what a crap QB Cassel has become, they were correct. Not just with Cassel, but with the coaching hires. Everything. Pioli's 1st season is a disaster.

L.A. Chieffan · 12-18-2009, 06:38 PM

give em props for putting up with all shit around here, but it really wasnt that hard to do what they did.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-18-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

give em props for putting up with all shit around here, but it really wasnt that hard to do what they did.

Well, maybe I'm an idiot, but I'm the type of fan that doesn't question moves like the Cassel trade. I figure they are in the business and have been in the business for awhile so they must know better. After this year, thats just not true.

04-26-2009, 01:48 PM
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04-26-2009, 10:14 PM	#212
wild1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: 31040 Casino cash: $10004900	And I don't really rate the fact that Cassel didn't start at USC. He sat behind Carson Palmer, which would have been true of almost every QB in college football. All the QBs in the draft this year would have sat behind him as well, right. My guess is that Cassel went to USC because he wanted to compete to QB USC, and like all the QBs they bring in, he was probably a guy who could have started at almost any other school he wanted, and then history would have been written differently. Of course there are question marks, but I don't see why he has less upside than Sanchez or Stafford. Maybe he does, but I bet the Jets or Lions would be more than pleased if their guys had the season Cassel did last year.
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raybec 4 MVP Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Jabip Casino cash: $5063807	I must not be understanding the point here, these guys have opinions that differ from our FO. Our FO differs from a lot of others in the league. So ****in what? Nobody here works in the Chiefs Front Office and nobody that does work in the Chiefs Front Office gives a shit what this board thinks. It will not be known if this was a good draft for a couple of years, and I'm sure even Pioli himself will admit some of these picks are going to turn out to be mistakes.
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04-27-2009, 05:05 AM	#216
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04-27-2009, 06:43 AM	#217
okcchief MVP Join Date: Jul 2008 Casino cash: $9849890	Sanchez will have a much better chance to succeed with the Jets since they have an offensive line and a lot more overall talent IMO. My biggest concern with any QB we have is protection. I hope Cassel has eyes in the back of his head.
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12-18-2009, 06:13 PM	#218
BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	Since some old threads have been dug up, I thought I'd dig up one of mine to show I was wrong and that Mecca Dane, and Hamas were right all along. Carry on...
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12-18-2009, 06:20 PM	#219
BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	Its funny. At the time I made this thread, I meant for the OP to be sarcastic. Turns out that its true for the most part.
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12-18-2009, 06:23 PM	#221
Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	You forgot OTWP. He completes the foursome of horsemen. __________________ It's like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong.
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12-18-2009, 06:38 PM	#224
L.A. Chieffan PLAY GOOD FOOTBALL Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: American Gardens Building Casino cash: $3968654	give em props for putting up with all shit around here, but it really wasnt that hard to do what they did.
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