Romo/Rivers/Cutler..career losers or franchise QBs?

[Deberg_1990]

Whats your take on these guys? Would these guys be 5-0 on the Chiefs.....or do they make too many mistakes and turnovers in critical situations? Sure, they put up great "box scores" , but so did Jeff George......

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Everybody around here does because Chiefs fans hate Manning (both because he owned us as a Colt and now because he owns us a Bronco). The general public doesn't, though, and that's primarily because he has won a team championship. That's the difference. If you get one (for whatever the reason...generally it's because your team is elite), it doesn't matter how poorly you are in the clutch after it, you're set for life.

No, most people still view Fivehead as a choker. All the one-and-done playoff meltdowns have pretty much cemented that reputation, and his championship run - during which he threw for only 3 touchdowns and 7 interceptions, was carried by his defense, and got to play one of the biggest cupcake opponents in Super Bowl history - did little to change it.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

No, most people still view Fivehead as a choker. All the one-and-done playoff meltdowns have pretty much cemented that reputation, and his championship run - during which he threw for only 3 touchdowns and 7 interceptions, was carried by his defense, and got to play one of the biggest cupcake opponents in Super Bowl history - did little to change it.

I disagree. He's held up far closer by the media as a GOAT candidate than any kind of choker in the same realm of Romo or Rivers. The ring helps huge with that.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

Aside from last year, if I needed to choose a quarterback to win a must-win game for my team, I would feel far safer with Rivers than with Romo, and I'd suspect most people would agree with me.

I would probably say the same, but that's because I think Rivers is a better QB overall, not because he's any more or less of a supposed choker than him.

[tk13]

Yeah but Manning is still considered kind of behind Brady... which is why Hootie would melt down on the regular. He's not considered a great playoff QB. I don't think that's just Chief fan bias. If not for us his record would look a lot worse. He's had some struggles in the playoffs... and threw a backbreaking INT in a Super Bowl. The reason he's held up so high is because of how much control he takes over the offense.

And if you really look closely... Manning didn't even play that well the postseason he won it all. He's been one and done 8 times.

[tk13]

It is interesting how Jerry Jones talks to the media every week after the game. He's always on SportsCenter, especially after a loss. How many other owners and GMs do that?

That really can't help Romo either... the team is always such a circus.

[GloryDayz]

And I think we heard the undertones of JJ that change is on its way. Perhaps not today (to a large extent that's his ego IMO), but the end of the year in Dallas might prove to be very interesting.

Meh, we'll see...

[whoman69]

If Romo had some playoff success he would probably be headed to the HOF. He's 6th in career passing rating. What that doesn't tell is his usual implosion. Every mistake he is made is magnified by the fact that he always has tons of talent around him, but the club has huge holes. He'll be best remembered for the dropped FG attempt in the playoffs. He has issues that are made greater by the fact the organization enables his issues.

Rivers had a period of time where he was among the top 5 QBs in the league. Since then he showed that he could be very weak mentally.

Cutler never made the playoffs in Denver and cried his way out of town. Since he has not exactly been bowling them over. Part of it was the scheme where they couldn't protect him. He's been fragile. The image of him going to the bench in the championship game didn't help.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Great blurb from Barnwell at Grantland this morning:

Ask yourself this: When was the last time Romo's defense bailed him out? I can think of a whole bunch of times when Romo bailed out his defense. Like the two-minute drill against the Vikings a few weeks ago after his defense blew a fourth-quarter lead. Or last year, when Romo led two touchdown drives in the final four minutes to tie up the game against the Saints. Or the 10-point, fourth-quarter comeback against the Bengals two weeks earlier. Where are the games when Dallas's defense comes up with a big play late to seal — let alone create — a victory?* You're not wrong to pin some of the blame on Romo. But, again, if we're going to talk about what's going wrong with the Dallas Cowboys, it seems wrong to blame the side that scored 36 points far more than the one that allowed 37.

*I see all of one: In 2012, Romo tied a game in the fourth quarter with a touchdown drive and the defense picked off Ben Roethlisberger on the first drive of overtime to set up a game-winning field goal. That's the only one I can find.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...ll-week-15-nfl

[loochy]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

but they aren't throwing all those picks for him.

And romo didn't allow a backup quarterback to repeatedly march down the filed and score touchdowns.

[Mecca]

Eli and Flacco got hot and won bowls but if you look at their careers they're largely very average QB's.

Eli Manning has a ton of hype for having a pretty average career and he's had some really terrible performances.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Eli Manning has a ton of hype for having a pretty average career and he's had some really terrible performances.

Yeah, wtf happened this year man?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Unless Andy Reid had some kind of plan that turned the Cowboys' league worst defense into a half decent one, there's not a chance in the world that would be the case. They'd be looking at 4-5 wins at best.


No, I'm not using my memory. I'm looking at facts and statistics. Though I will say that ****ing up a PAT doesn't really tell me much of anything about his QB ability.



2007 is the only game you can say there that the Cowboys lost to a worse team (the Giants). But the Giants went on to win the Super Bowl that year, so how much shit can you really give them for that? In 2009, they beat the Eagles in the WC round and then got beat down by a far superior Vikings team in the next round. No surprise there. We're looking at a pretty insignificant sample size in any case, but the Cowboys have never been a particularly good team since Romo began. There has never been any reason to expect they would have real playoff success (and that has very little to do with QB play).


Everybody around here does because Chiefs fans hate Manning (both because he owned us as a Colt and now because he owns us a Bronco). The general public doesn't, though, and that's primarily because he has won a team championship. That's the difference. If you get one (for whatever the reason...generally it's because your team is elite), it doesn't matter how poorly you are in the clutch after it, you're set for life.



You could see Peyton Manning getting 35 points Ravens' defense and then Joe Flacco throwing up a fluke Hail Mary to win a mile way? Somehow I doubt it.

The Chiefs were 20th or so in D last year and 2-14. They are now 22nd and 11-3, the 9-0 start was all fueled by the D. A good coach changes everything. AS would have never thrown those 2 INT's late in the 4th quarter and I don't even like AS that much.

Their lack of playoff success is mostly about the QB play. I would add that he hasn't had the best head coaches in the world and Jerry should fire himself. But he has been the QB for 8 years now, made the playoffs only 3 times. Look at the Saints, Brees has been the starter for 8 years as well, been to the playoffs 4 times, won a SB all the while their D was ranked in the mid 20's. Hell the year they won the SB their D was ranked 25th. Rodgers is the same way. Great QB's win big games even when their team is not elite in all areas. Romo can put all these nice numbers but when it comes down to that big moment he chokes it away. It has happened time and time again. This isn't something that is shocking to anyone.

You seem to forget Manning was given the choker\can't win the big game label in college when he would put up gaudy stats then win the big game comes along he disappears.

What I was talking about was when the score was tied late in the game you knew Manning was going to throw an INT. Go back and read the game thread I am sure people were saying that right before and after the INT. It wasn't a shock to anybody.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by loochy

Yeah, wtf happened this year man?

He's basically a playaction QB and this year he has no run game and his line is pretty blah and now he's back to forcing the ball because he doesn't wanna get hit. He does have a couple of nice receivers but at the end of the day if he doesn't have a good defense and the line and run game to let him playaction and stand there he's gonna struggle.

In the end Eli Manning isn't gonna put a team on his back he needs a lot of pieces to look good.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Dallas' lack of success stems from Jerry Jones being a horrible evaluator of talent and Bill Parcells not being much of one either.

Jones falls in love with inferior players for foolish reasons (Felix Jones, that dipshit center they drafted this year, countless others), and it routinely bites him in the ass.

[Halfcan]

Eli with 5 interceptions- what a bad year-epic considering he is making 20 mil this year.

Romo- once again coughs up a game. Dallas is stuck with him for awhile though.