Chiefs How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's? - Page 15

**OnTheWarpath15** · 11:10 PM

Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.

I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.

Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36

Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.

aturnis · 07-17-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I kinda put that on our bat shit crazy head coach, hired by our thumb up his ass GM.

Expect more objectivity out of you though...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-17-2012, 06:34 PM

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He averaged 5.6 ypc. Not good enough?

65 yards on 15 offensive touches?

From who you claim is our most valuable offensive weapon?

Against the 26th ranked defense?

Yeah, I'm going to say not good enough - based on your idea of him being irreplaceable.

Hammock Parties · 07-17-2012, 06:38 PM

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He averaged 5.6 ypc. Not good enough?

He had a fine game, and a great seat as he watched Cassel get us absolutely destroyed.

Two games in a row, in fact.

Bo Jackson couldn't "value" us to a winning season against this schedule with this HC and QB.

Hammock Parties · 07-17-2012, 06:39 PM

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I agree it was Haley's fault. The game of telephone play calling didn't work. I don't blame Haley for doing it though, a man has to stand for something. Pioli drove him to that play calling by trying to micro manage him, I do fault Pioli for that, but I'm guessing Pili learned his lesson when Clark gave him a tongue lashing to remember.

Should I fire up the GIF machine and show you Cassel overthrowing a 5-yard slant?

Or maybe eleventy billion missed tackles against Fred Jackson?

This team has a lot of problems, and Jamaal Charles isn't gonna save us.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-17-2012, 06:41 PM

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Should I fire up the GIF machine and show you Cassel overthrowing a 5-yard slant?

Or maybe eleventy billion missed tackles against Fred Jackson?

This team has a lot of problems, and Jamaal Charles isn't gonna save us.

What?

We have a championship roster, minus the QB.

Championship rosters live by the term, Next Man Up.

O.city · 07-17-2012, 06:42 PM

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What?

We have a championship roster, minus the QB.

Championship rosters live by the term, Next Man Up.

Nope.

They live by the fact of "Elite Franchise QB"

O.city · 07-17-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King

Should I fire up the GIF machine and show you Cassel overthrowing a 5-yard slant?

Or maybe eleventy billion missed tackles against Fred Jackson?

This team has a lot of problems, and Jamaal Charles isn't gonna save us.

Not trying to start a pissing match, but what are those problems?

aturnis · 07-17-2012, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

65 yards on 15 offensive touches?

From who you claim is our most valuable offensive weapon?

Against the 26th ranked defense?

Yeah, I'm going to say not good enough - based on your idea of him being irreplaceable.

Yes, in an offense hamstringed by play calling woes. The pass couldn't be effective with no time to read a defense, therefore the play calling was predictable, and teams played the run. Evidence by the resurgence of the offense under the quarterbacking prowess of Kyle Orton.

aturnis · 07-17-2012, 06:47 PM

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Nope.

They live by the fact of "Elite Franchise QB"

Truth. Can't be consistently competitive without one.

Hammock Parties · 07-17-2012, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Not trying to start a pissing match, but what are those problems?

I don't know, man.

The team was healthy in Week 1 last year and got shitbeat.

By the Bills.

This defense isn't godmode just yet. It's easy to look good against Tim Tebow, Caleb Hanie and Kyle Boller.

They're facing much stiffer challenges this year.

O.city · 07-17-2012, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King

I don't know, man.

The team was healthy in Week 1 last year and got shitbeat.

By the Bills.

This defense isn't godmode just yet. It's easy to look good against Tim Tebow, Caleb Hanie and Kyle Boller.

They're facing much stiffer challenges this year.

Again, I'm putting that on our powder puff training camp.

I thought we played pretty well defensively down the stretch, which gives me some hope.

aturnis · 07-17-2012, 06:49 PM

So, with your 20/20 hindsight, who is the Chiefs QB instead of Cassel? Do you pay Bowe 100-120 million with 35-45 guaranteed?

O.city · 07-17-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

So, with your 20/20 hindsight, who is the Chiefs QB instead of Cassel? Do you pay Bowe 100-120 million with 35-45 guaranteed?

Yes, i'd pay Bowe that.

And in 20/20 hindsight? I'd throw a shit ton of draft picks at the Panthers last year and take Cam.

aturnis · 07-17-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King

I don't know, man.

The team was healthy in Week 1 last year and got shitbeat.

By the Bills.

This defense isn't godmode just yet. It's easy to look good against Tim Tebow, Caleb Hanie and Kyle Boller.

They're facing much stiffer challenges this year.

The Bills are as close to the Chiefs as a different team can get. Great talent everywhere but QB. They are doomed to the same fate we are. They can beat any team in the league and they can lose to any team, all b/c of the QB. What's your point?

Hammock Parties · 07-17-2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Again, I'm putting that on our powder puff training camp.

I thought we played pretty well defensively down the stretch, which gives me some hope.

Did we have training camp again later in the year before the Jets? Patriots? Dolphins?

07-17-2012, 11:45 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4911115	How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's? Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this. I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league. What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years. I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's. Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe. Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49 Roddy White - 6422/42 Reggie Wayne - 6234/36 Wes Welker - 6105/31 Calvin Johnson - 5872/49 Andre Johnson - 5703/35 Greg Jennings - 5539/46 Steve Smith - 5353/29 Marques Colston - 5202/40 Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36 Personally, I think that's impressive on its own. Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons. Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems. It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game. Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play. After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play. I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game. Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league. Dude deserved elite money. Or, tl;dr - **** him. Last edited by OnTheWarpath15; 07-17-2012 at 11:10 PM..
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aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	So, with your 20/20 hindsight, who is the Chiefs QB instead of Cassel? Do you pay Bowe 100-120 million with 35-45 guaranteed?
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