How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.


I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.


Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36


Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

WR win-loss records??? I've heard it all now.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Toad King

Yep.

Our fanbase doesn't like anyone with an ounce of street jock in them, and neither does the Patriot Way.

I don't see anyone say they don't like Bowe.

I see people who hate Pioli trying to argue Bowe needs to get paid what the very best Wrs get paid.

8 years 128.5m, 50m guaranteed.

I think thats too much.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Speaking of tripe, another example of why you can't be taken seriously. You don't understand logic. One good season out of a handful is an outlier. Having the 10th most yardage and 6th most TD's of all WR's in the last FIVE YEARS shows consistency. If he only had one good year, as you imply, he wouldn't be anywhere near the top of these rankings.

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So a season in which a WR accrued 42% of his career TD's doesn't qualify as an outlier?

Good to know you're not biased.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Toad King

Anyone know what Tamba Hali's record as a starter is?

I want an OLB who is a winner.

I've seen some dumb arguments, but trying to use the Chiefs record against Bowe takes the cake.

Outside of the QB position, it's a dumb argument at any position, much less one that depends solely on someone else.

A WR can do everything perfect - run a perfect route, beat his man - and if he's not thrown the ball, or thrown the ball accurately, it means nothing.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by aturnis

The contract demand is only speculation to you b/c it doesn't support your argument.

Really?

Please provide a link showing what Bowe's contract demands were.

Originally Posted by aturnis

Other than that, it has been hinted at that he was expecting something unreasonable, and Schefter more or less confirmed Bowe wanted to be paid in line with Fitz and Megatron.
He fact that you choose to ignore it only confirms how jaded your view of Bowe is. We get it, you REALLY like him, get a room.

Whoops.

You can't.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Any good agent will make sure its a factor.

"My client has spent the last 5 years busting his ass for your organization, and has put up numbers comparable to Calvin and Andre Johnson while playing in a run-first offense with, excuse me for saying, but poor QB play. Imagine the numbers he would put up if he was the focus of the offense, like Calvin and AJ are."

That's just the beginning.

Now, a question for you:

Once again, he's a whopping 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game shy of the best numbers put up by a WR in the past 5 years. Which happened to be his first five years. He's currently in his prime.

Do you honestly think that solid QB play wouldn't easily make up 19 yards and a small fraction of a TD per game?

Does it work both ways? Should a GM lowball a WR if they have a pro bowl QB throwing them the ball. If you had a worse QB your stats would be average, I'm lowering our offer accordingly.

[The Mayor]

We could bring in Larry Parker for a look. He can't be but 35 now....

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Messier

Should a GM lowball a WR if they have a pro bowl QB throwing them the ball.

It works pretty good for the Patriots.

I bet it works out OK for the Chargers, too.

We can't afford to do that.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'll get flamed for this, but I don't mind because it is absolutely true:

If Dwayne Bowe was a white guy who didn't have an ounce of diva in him, an overwhelming majority of posters would be on board with paying him like the elite WR he is.

No, that's bullshit. I ****ING LOOOOOOVE DWAYNE BOWE! He's not wore 100 million dollars though.

I also LOOOOOOVE the new Dodge Challenger, but I'll likely never own one, b/c I don't like the price tag. Even though I can afford it, I will have to pass.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Toad King

Did this SERIOUSLY get posted by TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE?

What's the problem, PLEASE elaborate.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by aturnis

No, that's bullshit. I ****ING LOOOOOOVE DWAYNE BOWE! He's not wore 100 million dollars though.

I also LOOOOOOVE the new Dodge Challenger, but I'll likely never own one, b/c I don't like the price tag. Even though I can afford it, I will have to pass.

Sounds like you don't care about winning races.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Really?

Please provide a link showing what Bowe's contract demands were.




Whoops.

You can't.

I'm just putting up what the best of the best WRs got. You say he's in their class, I'll bet he thinks so too, so I'm using their contracts as an example. I wouldn't be shocked if he was asking for around what Fitzgerald got, maybe a little less but close.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Messier

Does it work both ways? Should a GM lowball a WR if they have a pro bowl QB throwing them the ball. If you had a worse QB your stats would be average, I'm lowering our offer accordingly.

Welp, we've found our second dumbest argument behind W/L records for WR's.

I'm honestly near speechless. The ignorance in this thread is mind-numbing.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by aturnis

What's the problem, PLEASE elaborate.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Any good agent will make sure its a factor.

"My client has spent the last 5 years busting his ass for your organization, and has put up numbers comparable to Calvin and Andre Johnson while playing in a run-first offense with, excuse me for saying, but poor QB play. Imagine the numbers he would put up if he was the focus of the offense, like Calvin and AJ are."

That's just the beginning.

Now, a question for you:

Once again, he's a whopping 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game shy of the best numbers put up by a WR in the past 5 years. Which happened to be his first five years. He's currently in his prime.

Do you honestly think that solid QB play wouldn't easily make up 19 yards and a small fraction of a TD per game?

Just as any good GM would point out Bowe's 2010 production as an outlier...