Schefter- "Barkley Late first-round pick" Smith scouts "aren't completely wowed"

[Chief Roundup]

http://www.kcchiefsdraft.com/2012/12...iii/#more-2594


Geno Smith Isn’t RGIII

December 6th, 2012



Who does Geno Smith remind you of? (Photo: goldandbluezone.com)

KCCD Writer: Jonathan Hake

All over Kansas City, and the surrounding areas, fans are discussing the future of the Chiefs quarterback position. As fans we often try to compare players to others that came before so that we can better understand what to expect. Expecting Geno Smith to live up to RGIII is asking him to fulfill very large shoes that really don’t fit well.



Geno Smith is my top QB of the 2013 NFL draft but he isn’t Robert Griffin III. He isn’t Jason Campbell, Ben Rothlisberger, or Andrew Luck. These comparisons put unfair expectations on players and what they can or will do in their time with the team. The more important question is why are people making these connections?

Robert Griffin and Geno both got out to a very fast start their senior years. They have shown an ability to protect the ball and avoid interceptions. Both play in an up tempo spread offense that focuses on a lot of screens, options, and quick outs. They both have also shown an ability to punish a defense with the deep pass. These are the similarities but what are the differences?

Griffin will absolutely destroy you with his legs while Geno can scramble if it is the last resort or if the defense makes him an offer he can’t refuse. Baylor ran designed run plays for Griffin due to his ability to take any run to the house. Griffin has one of the best arms we have seen coming out of college and is a once in a generation prospect. Geno Smith has the potential to be in the elite QB category. He isn’t there yet and he isn’t nearly as close as RG III was coming out of college but the potential is there.

Jason Campbell is an understandable comparison and the worst case scenario for Geno. A player with the talent to start who needed a few seasons to put it together but never truly got a shot with a stable team. Campbell has been a player that has shown to be capable when shoved into the fire but never truly been “the guy.” He will run if you give him five yards and thank you for the free yards. Campbell has a strong arm and has enough accuracy to make almost any throw on the field. Campbell was missing a few traits that I believe Geno has: Geno’s release is quicker, he makes better pre snap reads, and he dissects a defense and punishes them for making mistakes. Campbell has always been a first read kind of quarterback especially coming out of college.

Ben Roethlisberger also was not the prospect that Geno Smith currently is. Roethlisberger has every bit the arm that Smith has but the way he made his throws coming into the draft needed improvement. Both Geno and Big Ben needed work with their footwork but Ben’s footwork was compounded by a slow release and a tendency for balls to wobble on him.

Geno throws tight spirals and a release that is only rivaled by Griffin’s in recent history. Roethlisberger had the added benefit of being huge and the ability to feel the pocket extremely well. He can bounce off of hits and give himself room to make those big plays. He needed the room because of the release and footwork but over the years he has become a much better technical passer.

Who does Geno Smith remind me of when I watch him play, Sam Bradford. They played in shotgun offenses in college, can make any throw on the field when given time, and are very good at recognizing and punishing a defense when they make a mistake. Bradford was a step ahead of Geno in his progression but the way they move in the pocket and the quick release they possess translates well to the NFL.

Bradford was a surefire prospect by many leading up to the 2010 draft. Bradford has had his challenges in the NFL, including injuries. He’s had to deal with multiple coaching and system changes which has led to him seeming uncomfortable in the pocket. He also has had very few weapons at his disposal in St. Louis. Bradford possesses a very calm demeanor he almost appears to not care. Smith doesn’t possess this quality. He is very animated when things go badly and equally as animated when things go well.

The key with drafting Geno Smith, Tyler Wilson, or Matt Barkley will be surrounding them with the right team and system. The team must be talented enough to support the QB and the system has to be catered to their strengths. Stability will become a necessity for at least the next three seasons. That is why a complete rebuild will need to take place this offseason.

If you allow Pioli to stay and hire another head coach then you must be committed to him for the next three seasons at least. Head coach, offensive coordinator, and the offensive system need to be stable and allow the new QB the opportunity to use his talents. Can Clark Hunt look at the talent on this team and the performance on the field and say that the GM has done a good enough job to warrant another hire. If that decision is made then the organization needs to be committed and allow the next hires a chance to succeed.


There you go.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

http://www.kcchiefsdraft.com/2012/12...iii/#more-2594


Geno Smith Isn’t RGIII

December 6th, 2012



Who does Geno Smith remind you of? (Photo: goldandbluezone.com)

KCCD Writer: Jonathan Hake

All over Kansas City, and the surrounding areas, fans are discussing the future of the Chiefs quarterback position. As fans we often try to compare players to others that came before so that we can better understand what to expect. Expecting Geno Smith to live up to RGIII is asking him to fulfill very large shoes that really don’t fit well.



Geno Smith is my top QB of the 2013 NFL draft but he isn’t Robert Griffin III. He isn’t Jason Campbell, Ben Rothlisberger, or Andrew Luck. These comparisons put unfair expectations on players and what they can or will do in their time with the team. The more important question is why are people making these connections?

Robert Griffin and Geno both got out to a very fast start their senior years. They have shown an ability to protect the ball and avoid interceptions. Both play in an up tempo spread offense that focuses on a lot of screens, options, and quick outs. They both have also shown an ability to punish a defense with the deep pass. These are the similarities but what are the differences?

Griffin will absolutely destroy you with his legs while Geno can scramble if it is the last resort or if the defense makes him an offer he can’t refuse. Baylor ran designed run plays for Griffin due to his ability to take any run to the house. Griffin has one of the best arms we have seen coming out of college and is a once in a generation prospect. Geno Smith has the potential to be in the elite QB category. He isn’t there yet and he isn’t nearly as close as RG III was coming out of college but the potential is there.

Jason Campbell is an understandable comparison and the worst case scenario for Geno. A player with the talent to start who needed a few seasons to put it together but never truly got a shot with a stable team. Campbell has been a player that has shown to be capable when shoved into the fire but never truly been “the guy.” He will run if you give him five yards and thank you for the free yards. Campbell has a strong arm and has enough accuracy to make almost any throw on the field. Campbell was missing a few traits that I believe Geno has: Geno’s release is quicker, he makes better pre snap reads, and he dissects a defense and punishes them for making mistakes. Campbell has always been a first read kind of quarterback especially coming out of college.

Ben Roethlisberger also was not the prospect that Geno Smith currently is. Roethlisberger has every bit the arm that Smith has but the way he made his throws coming into the draft needed improvement. Both Geno and Big Ben needed work with their footwork but Ben’s footwork was compounded by a slow release and a tendency for balls to wobble on him.

Geno throws tight spirals and a release that is only rivaled by Griffin’s in recent history. Roethlisberger had the added benefit of being huge and the ability to feel the pocket extremely well. He can bounce off of hits and give himself room to make those big plays. He needed the room because of the release and footwork but over the years he has become a much better technical passer.

Who does Geno Smith remind me of when I watch him play, Sam Bradford. They played in shotgun offenses in college, can make any throw on the field when given time, and are very good at recognizing and punishing a defense when they make a mistake. Bradford was a step ahead of Geno in his progression but the way they move in the pocket and the quick release they possess translates well to the NFL.

Bradford was a surefire prospect by many leading up to the 2010 draft. Bradford has had his challenges in the NFL, including injuries. He’s had to deal with multiple coaching and system changes which has led to him seeming uncomfortable in the pocket. He also has had very few weapons at his disposal in St. Louis. Bradford possesses a very calm demeanor he almost appears to not care. Smith doesn’t possess this quality. He is very animated when things go badly and equally as animated when things go well.

The key with drafting Geno Smith, Tyler Wilson, or Matt Barkley will be surrounding them with the right team and system. The team must be talented enough to support the QB and the system has to be catered to their strengths. Stability will become a necessity for at least the next three seasons. That is why a complete rebuild will need to take place this offseason.
If you allow Pioli to stay and hire another head coach then you must be committed to him for the next three seasons at least. Head coach, offensive coordinator, and the offensive system need to be stable and allow the new QB the opportunity to use his talents. Can Clark Hunt look at the talent on this team and the performance on the field and say that the GM has done a good enough job to warrant another hire. If that decision is made then the organization needs to be committed and allow the next hires a chance to succeed.


There you go.

I disagree with that notion. We have a young ascending O line that's only going to get better so I don't see where a complete rebuild is needed. We probably need to add a weapon or two but behind our rushing attack a young QB should be able to thrive. Geno Smith making the reads when the D is stacking the box sounds like a beautiful thing to me.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Jason Campbell is an understandable comparison

except for the...

Geno’s release is quicker, he makes better pre snap reads, and he dissects a defense and punishes them for making mistakes.

thing!

[saphojunkie]

Josh Freeman has had a really good season.

And his team still isn't winning enough for him to be anywhere near a top QB in the league. But he's come a long way this season, and I don't think anyone still considers him a potential bust.

He has clearly shown he has the ability this year to be a top QB. They need to turn in the wins for that to happen, though.

EDIT: just checked Freeman's stats in 2010 and actually they were really good. Freeman is the opposite of Cassel. Both had career years in 2010, made the playoffs at 10-6 with a new coach, and had mediocre to shit years before and after.

The difference now appears that the good year was a fluke for Cassel and the bad years a fluke for Freeman.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Josh Freeman has had a really good season.

And his team still isn't winning enough for him to be anywhere near a top QB in the league. But he's come a long way this season, and I don't think anyone still considers him a potential bust.

He has clearly shown he has the ability this year to be a top QB. They need to turn in the wins for that to happen, though.

EDIT: just checked Freeman's stats in 2010 and actually they were really good. Freeman is the opposite of Cassel. Both had career years in 2010, made the playoffs at 10-6 with a new coach, and had mediocre to shit years before and after.

The difference now appears that the good year was a fluke for Cassel and the bad years a fluke for Freeman.

First off Cassel Sucks and I don't want him here never have never will. But there is something that we probably should all be somewhat thankful for.
That is that Weis didn't stick around or that we didn't bring in another OC that would have called plays and designed an offense solely around what Cassel can do.
Ironically that is probably/should be what we all want for our up and coming 1st round QB.

[DLand21]

Late 1st round is accurate. Tyler Wilson & Geno grade out higher IMO

[Chief Roundup]

Ranking the Quarterbacks: Making a Case for Tyler Wilson

December 3rd, 2012





Tyler Wilson to Kansas City is gaining some steam. (Photo: Nelson Chenault/US Presswire)



KCCD Writer: Elliot Dennis

Okay… okay. I know a couple of weeks ago I came out with an argument for why USC’s Matt Barkley should be taken first overall by the Chiefs. I now retract that statement. He’s really played himself out of consideration to be even a top-10 draft choice, and unless he has a huge Senior Bowl week and pro day that might just happen.



Now I’d like to make a case for Arkansas signal caller, Tyler Wilson. He had a good season last year throwing for 3,638 yards, 24 touchdowns, and six interceptions while completing 63 percent of his passes. He kept improving as the season went on and was prepped to have a big season this year. Wilson also played a little bit in 2010 as a backup to Ryan Mallett, throwing for 453 yards, four touchdowns, and three interceptions.

In week two this season, Wilson suffered a concussion in an upset loss to Louisiana-Monroe and was held out of the game against then #1 Alabama. So far this year, he’s completed 62 percent of his passes for 3,387 yards, 21 touchdowns, with 13 interceptions. Some say he is having a down year, I am saying otherwise.

I believe he has played well considering the circumstances. Bobby Petrino was fired right before the season began and left a huge mess behind him. Along with that, Wilson lost his top three receivers from last season in Joe Adams, Jarius Wright, and Greg Childs. He only has one good receiver to throw to in Cobi Hamilton. The rest of the receiving corps hasn’t been able to get open and have dropped numerous passes this season. Along with all this, his offensive line has been shaky this season. He’s taken multiple hits per game and just hasn’t looked comfortable behind that offensive line all season. Arkansas is only 41st in college football in sacks allowed (1.5 sacks/game), but it’s been much worse than the numbers indicate.

Watching Wilson play this season, I’ve seen a great NFL-caliber arm from him. He has been able to make throws, such as a throw to the sideline from the opposite hash. There have been some questions about his accuracy this season, most of which are due to him not setting his feet when he throws. However, these issues can be taught by good coaching and practice.

One thing you can’t question about Wilson is his toughness. Aside from the concussion that kept him out 2 games, he has played through multiple injuries this season and has looked determined to win, despite his team having a disappointing season.

One thing I really liked about Barkley was that he came back for his senior season to try and win a National Championship, even though it killed his draft stock. The same goes for Wilson. General Managers will love Wilson’s drive for a championship.

Now if the NFL Draft were held today, I believe West Virginia’s Geno Smith would be the choice. Despite his recent struggles, he projects to be the top pick in next year’s draft. A lot can change between now and April as bowl games, Senior Bowl week, and pro games happen. So these rankings will probably change, but as of now here are my top 5 quarterbacks available:

1. Geno Smith, West Virgina

Smith started this season absolutely on fire. The West Virginia quarterback has a great skill set. He has a good arm to make all the NFL throws and shows good deep accuracy. He has good intelligence going through his progressions and reads and has shown that he can look off a safety. Along with this, he has very good mobility. The knock on Smith is that he plays in a goofy offense and has some mechanical issues with his footwork.

Projection: Top-5 pick



2. Tyler Wilson, Arkansas

Despite a horrible season for Arkansas football, Wilson has played very well. The real argument for Wilson is listed above.

Projection: Top-15 pick



3. Matt Barkley, USC

Last season, Barkley looked to be an elite QB prospect and a safe one. But with his play this season, his draft stock has really fallen; he may not even be a top-10 pick this year. He has great knowledge of the west coast offense and has shown very good accuracy and mechanics. His decision making and arm strength have been in question this year. He hangs the ball out there and can’t deliver into tight windows. If he has a bad Senior Bowl he may not even be a 1st round pick, that’s how much his stock is falling.

Projection: 1st round pick



4. Aaron Murray, Georgia

Murray really came on as a sophomore in 2011, completing 59 percent of his passes for 3,149 yards, 35 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He has improved upon that this season, completing 66 percent of his passes for 3201 yards, 30 touchdowns, and only 7 interceptions. He has shown great knowledge of the pro-style offense and has a good arm to make all the throws. The big knock on Murray is his height. But short QBs have started to come on lately (Brees, Russell Wilson), so he could easily sneak into the 1st round with a good pro day.

Projection: 1st to 3rd round pick



5. Mike Glennon, N.C. State

Glennon has the best arm out of the top-5 QBs. He has drawn a lot of Joe Flacco comparisons this season. This season he has completed 57 percent of his passes for 3,648 yards, 30 touchdowns, and 14 interceptions. If he can work on his accuracy and decision making, he can be a very successful NFL quarterback with his rocket-arm and good mechanics.

Projection: 2nd round pick

[Mr_Tomahawk]

FAP 4 WILSON - SAVEOURCHIEFS

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

FAP 4 WILSON - SAVEOURCHIEFS

[the Talking Can]

wilson is the only acceptable option if we **** up getting smith...he has legit tools...

i have come 180 on barkley, he just looks maxed out...he can't pressure college defenses with his arm, what's he going to do with in the nfl?

if we waited 30 years for a QB and it is landry or murray I will hunt and kill black reerun, then shoot myself in the face at a Whataburger drive-thru

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

wilson is the only acceptable option if we **** up getting smith...he has legit tools...

i have come 180 on barkley, he just looks maxed out...he can't pressure college defenses with his arm, what's he going to do with in the nfl?

if we waited 30 years for a QB and it is landry or murray I will hunt and kill black reerun, then shoot myself in the face at a Whataburger drive-thru

WTF

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Bowser

WTF

Kind of makes a guy long for Jones or Murray doesn't it.

[keg in kc]

Agree....Jones, Murray or Barkley...do not want!!!

[Chiefnj2]

Sorry, but I don't see the Geno and Bradford comparison.

[BossChief]

The Black Troy Aikman.