Game of Thrones (spoiler-free zone)

[keg in kc]

A few have suggested it, might as well test the waters. The idea is to give people who haven't read the books a safe place to talk about the show.

A few quick ground rules:

• No Spoilers!!!!! for upcoming episodes.
• Larger Song of Ice and Fire discussion should be limited to the other thread although I think a tiny bit of book delving to fill in holes should be okay (example of this would be talking about Catelyn and her treatment of the wolves in the novel, which was alluded to on TV but never really made clear...)
• Everything that happened that week is fair game once an episode airs. So if you don't watch on Sunday night, I'd stay outta here until you do...

[KcMizzou]

"This isn't a trial, it's a farce," alleges Jaime Lannister in this week's 'Game of Thrones.' Realizing his brother is doomed, Jaime offers Tywin what he wanted all along – a Lannister heir. In the interview below, actor Nikolaj Coster-Waldau discusses Jaime's deal with his father, his changed relationship with Cersei, and what it's like to wear a golden hand.

HBO: Cersei has manipulated every last detail of Tyrion's trial. What's Jaime's reaction?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau: I don't think he's surprised. He's horrified that she would go to that extent, but Cersei wants Tyrion dead and Jaime knows that. She wants revenge for all the pain she's endured because of Joffrey's death and Tyrion has become a symbol of all her hatred.

HBO: Jaime asks Tyrion if he killed Joffrey in Episode 4. Did Jaime really think he did it?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau: Jaime knows that Tyrion hated Joffrey with a vengeance. I don’t think Jaime really thinks Tyrion did it, but he had to ask him. Tyrion basically responds, "Are you going to kill me?" I don't think Tyrion really believes that Jaime would, but it's almost like saying, "Will you tell me you love me? I know you do, but tell me you love me."

HBO: Why does Jaime decide to make the deal with Tywin?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau: He sees that Cersei's clearly winning, and he knows his father well enough to know that Tywin's willing to sacrifice Tyrion. Jaime doesn't want to leave the Kingsguard, but he truly loves Tyrion. So if saving Tyrion's life means giving up his own freedom, of course he'll do that.

HBO: Does Jaime have that same type of love for his father?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau: No. But he's been brought up to respect and honor his father. Love is irrelevant with Tywin. It's all about politics and power. Jaime is more emotional. He doesn't care about all that; he just wants to do the right thing in his world. I think that meeting Brienne has made him reconnect to that core of himself.

HBO: What does giving Brienne Oathkeeper mean to Jaime?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau: It's very symbolic because the sword was forged from Ned Stark's sword, but also Jaime wants to dress Brienne as well as he can because he won't be able to join her. He wants to be sure she's equipped with the best that money can buy. I think he has really strong feelings for her. I read somewhere that Brienne is almost the sister he never had. Cersei, unfortunately, is the sister that he loves. Wouldn’t it be great if it was the other way around?

HBO: Do you think Brienne is in love with Jaime?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau: I think so, but I don't know if it's conscious for her and I don't think Jaime realizes it. Jaime shared his innermost secrets with this woman. They went through hell together and that's something they always will have.

HBO: His journey with Brienne definitely changed him.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau: Yeah. You could actually see that in the scene with Charles [Dance, who plays Tywin]. With Tyrion, although Jaime is different, their relationship at its core is the same. Of course things have changed with Cersei.

Jaime’s whole life has been planned out so he could be close to Cersei. Now he's coming to the realization that the love he thought they had didn't exist. That doesn't mean he can just shut out his own feelings – because he can't. But Jaime is becoming the man that he's meant to be. It's a constant struggle for him, but he's trying to learn who he is. He knows that he cannot continue to live his life on Cersei's terms or his father's terms.

HBO: The past two seasons you've been either a hostage or on the road; what's it like being back in King's Landing?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau: It's just great. I've had a wonderful time on every season, and I miss those scenes with Brienne because they were so much fun to shoot and brilliantly written. Peter [Dinklage], Lena [Headey] and Charles are brilliant actors, and then they're just wonderful people. Hanging out with them again has been really good.

HBO: How are you liking Jaime’s new hand?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau: I'm very pleased with my golden hand. It's easier than having the stump and various prosthetics. It was a challenge to find ways to hide my arm. Now this beautiful work of art hides my own hand, which gets really sweaty and disgusting. It's a great, annoying obstacle to have.

HBO: How is sword-fighting with your left hand?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau: It's tricky, because I am right-handed myself. Hopefully Jaime will get better and better going forward, so as an actor I will have to get better myself. It's a great challenge.

HBO: You're invited to a GOT wedding: Accept or decline?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau: Decline for sure. They end in tears.

http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/p...-coster-waldau

[Buehler445]

Just caught the latest episode. My god. This is the best tv show ever. Bar none.

Re: Shae. I think it is a combination of her wanting revenge and the Lannisters needing her.

The last 2 minutes were epic. My buddy I watch it with and I were both left pissed off we have to wait a week.

[Baby Lee]

Tyrion concluding speech here, for as long as it stays up.

http://gawker.com/tyrions-trial-by-c...ced-1575121530

It's on one of those players with no sharing options I can see. Feel free to embed video if you know how to find the link.

[Baby Lee]

If you'd bothered to learn Low Valyrean;

Spoiler!

you'd have learned that the Meereenese rider challenging Daenerys’ champion last week was insulting Daenerys with the same insults the French lobbed at the Knights of the Round Table in 'Monty Python's Holy Grail'

[OmahaChief]

I loved the slight smile that came on Tyrion's face when he was staring Tywin down at the end. The ultimate Eff you dad moment for him it seemed. Tyrion might be my favorite character on a show of all time. The acting on GoT is supberb on almost all accounts.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by OmahaChief

I loved the slight smile that came on Tyrion's face when he was staring Tywin down at the end. The ultimate Eff you dad moment for him it seemed. Tyrion might be my favorite character on a show of all time. The acting on GoT is supberb on almost all accounts.

That's why I figure he's going to die. Every time I think I get to liking someone, they die.

[Aries Walker]

Again, I'm not a reader of the books so I don't know these things, but I expect that he'll be killed by Daenerys's army at the end of the last season, after having redeemed his name.

[OmahaChief]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

That's why I figure he's going to die. Every time I think I get to liking someone, they die.

You kind of figure he has to die at some point as that is the way the show seems to go. I don't think his time has expired yet though. It would be great to see him turn on his family and help Stannis or Daenerys take them down. I would only feel bad for Jamie at that point as I have come to like him a bit.

[Sure-Oz]

Tyrian can't die in this show. I'll probably cry

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Tyrion concluding speech here, for as long as it stays up.

http://gawker.com/tyrions-trial-by-c...ced-1575121530

It's on one of those players with no sharing options I can see. Feel free to embed video if you know how to find the link.

The story below the video is even better.

hahah.

[BigRedChief]

From GoChiefs in the spoiler thread

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by Bambi

In the trailer to this season you see who is fighting for Tyrion.

I could give it away but go look and see if you can find it.

I didn't want to say it, but it seemed very obvious.

[Fire Me Boy!]

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

I know a little more, but the show is about to pass up what I read in the books. Fire Me Boy is a hardass about spoilers, so much so, that I couldn't properly answer his question earlier.



But also... some things have been different in the show. It's kinda cool to finally not know what to expect. (after the few key developments left that I know about.)

I don't mind spoilers as long as they're marked.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by Aries Walker

Even before Shae stepped up, I think Tyrion had figured out Tywin perfectly. If he does beg for mercy, and is "sent off to the Wall", he would barely make it out of sight of the city walls before someone under orders would slip a dagger between his ribs.

Also, Dance and Dinklage are teaching a master class in acting here. Everyone else is doing well, but those two especially are two of the best working today.

Dinklage is definitely the brightest star. But Charles Dance is putting on an acting show that is better than anything I've ever seen on television.

The guy should be swimming in a pool of awards Scrooge McDuck style when all is said and done.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

I don't mind spoilers as long as they're marked.

Probably best not to have spoilers in this thread at all, marked or otherwise. Like with the thread titles yesterday. I posted those on the other thread weeks ago, but intentionally didn't put them here. It's just too much risk that something's going to be accidentally ruined for someone, and that's a big deal with this show...