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Old 04-19-2013, 02:46 PM   #1
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This. I would venture to guess this chart is beyond outdated now that the rookie wage scale is in place.
Correct. The chart now undervalues the picks.
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Old 04-20-2013, 12:22 AM   #2
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Mother of Pearl, PLEASE stop with the outdated ****ing value chart.
Yeah. That thing HAS to go. Im not happy about what's happening but that chart has to be tossed and soon.
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Old 04-20-2013, 12:24 AM   #3
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Yeah. That thing HAS to go. Im not happy about what's happening but that chart has to be tossed and soon.
Why?

You can talk about how long ago it was invented as much as you want.

That has nothing to do with the fact that you can map the trades that occur on the chart with nearly a 1:1 correlation.

The ultimate compensation is decided on the players available, so you'll either be above or below the line, but you'll be in the ballpark.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:19 PM   #4
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The other key is at Quarterback. If Geno is average, it's a so-so pick. If we get a QB in the next 1-2 years who ends up being better than Geno, then the QB part of this equation doesn't even matter.

It's not the path I'd take. But let's be real here. If the Chiefs find a good QB, nobody will really care about Alex Smith or Joeckel or Albert.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:22 PM   #5
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Would you rather have:

Albert and ______ or Joeckel and 54?

Put any of top 15 prospects in the blank and tell me this is a good trade.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:25 PM   #6
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Would you rather have:

Albert and ______ or Joeckel and 54?

Put any of top 15 prospects in the blank and tell me this is a good trade.
Depends on who 54 is. If 54 turns into a qb, who then turns around to be better than Geno Smith, then the Chiefs win all the way around.

regardless, you were getting Joeckell no matter what. Albert, or no Albert. THats why they wanted Albert to move to RT in the first place. So your equation is do you want albert, and joeckell, or Joeckell, and 54........
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:34 PM   #7
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Would you rather have:

Albert and ______ or Joeckel and 54?
When a guy can't work out a new deal with two completely different front offices, him staying is a rather unlikely part of the equation. Thus, the question should actually be this. Would you rather have:

Bowe on the franchise tag, Joeckel, and Albert leaving without us getting a single thing in return

or

Bowe re-signed, Joeckel, and a 2nd round pick for Albert?
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:39 PM   #8
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When a guy can't work out a new deal with two completely different front offices, him staying is a rather unlikely part of the equation. Thus, the question should actually be this. Would you rather have:

Bowe on the franchise tag, Joeckel, and Albert leaving without us getting a single thing in return

or

Bowe re-signed, Joeckel, and a 2nd round pick for Albert?
What's interesting about your point is that we're beating the shit out of the Chiefs for decisions other teams don't want to make either.

If Geno was a consensus #1, the Chiefs wouldn't be begging to get rid of 1.1. The trade comp for Albert isn't unreasonable. The main reason he hasn't been traded yet is money. If the Dolphins don't want to pay him, that tells you his salary demands are too high. If they do trade for him, it will be interesting to see how reasonable his salary is.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:42 PM   #9
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When a guy can't work out a new deal with two completely different front offices, him staying is a rather unlikely part of the equation. Thus, the question should actually be this. Would you rather have:

Bowe on the franchise tag, Joeckel, and Albert leaving without us getting a single thing in return

or

Bowe re-signed, Joeckel, and a 2nd round pick for Albert?
I'll take the deal the Dolphins sign Albert to. You have one reriem that was incompetent and another one that seems to have locked on to one player, regardless of whether the sum of the transactions surrounding that player are likely to improve the team during the next 3 years.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:43 PM   #10
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I'll take the deal the Dolphins sign Albert to. You have one reriem that was incompetent and another one that seems to have locked on to one player, regardless of whether the sum of the transactions surrounding that player are likely to improve the team during the next 3 years.
Sorry, this post is a cluster****.

What?
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:50 PM   #11
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Sorry, this post is a cluster****.

What?
Let me try again.

1. I'm suspecting that the Dolphins will sign Albert to a reasonable deal. I'd take that deal for the Chiefs.
2. Big Rock argued that Albert was unsignable based on inability of the last two front offices to sign him. My response:

a. Pioli was incompetent
b. Reid/Dorsey seem to be locked in on Joeckel. And willing to create a spot to for him, even if doing so won't make the Cheifs markedly better over the next 3 years.

I don't think these two cases prove that Albert is unsignable.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:35 PM   #12
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Would you rather have:

Albert and ______ or Joeckel and 54?

Put any of top 15 prospects in the blank and tell me this is a good trade.
Well... all of this assumes that Branden Albert is re-signable, even if we tried. Or that his asking price isn't completely unreasonable.

Let's also not rule out KC perhaps setting the price for Albert, so he can cut his demands.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:25 PM   #13
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post is spot on

we are paying a premium price to upgrade from "very good" LT to "hope this guy is elite."

it's like paying a website a premium price for chiefs news you already have.
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Mother of Pearl, PLEASE stop with the outdated ****ing value chart.
It's not outdated.

How many times should I post the breakdowns from LAST YEARS DRAFT TRADES that show how teams followed the draft value chart really closely.

The only two that didn't were the RG3 and Richardson trades...the rest followed the chart.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:40 PM   #15
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It's not outdated.

How many times should I post the breakdowns from LAST YEARS DRAFT TRADES that show how teams followed the draft value chart really closely.

The only two that didn't were the RG3 and Richardson trades...the rest followed the chart.
It IS outdated.

JFC.

So, you and ALL of your buddies have SPAMMED this forum with "It's CHEAP to take a QB" because of the new CBA, right?

But, you're going to say that compensation should remain the same?

What the ****?

I don't give a flying **** what Washington gave up for RGIII. Any team that is going to demand the same compensation Pre-2011 CBA as Post 2011 CBA is smoking crack.

ANY salesman worth his salt would say "**** off".

New rules.
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