Football Johnny Manziel’s Father Hopes Son Goes to Jail. Calls him a "druggie" - Page 5

**Dave Lane** · 07:07 PM

Johnny Manziel’s family has had enough of the NFL free agent quarterback’s ever-growing list of trouble. The former Cleveland Browns quarterback was back in the news this week after he was involved in another hit-and-run accident. And to make matters worse for him, his lawyer, Bob Hinton, accidentally sent a damaging text to The Associated Press. The text, which in part said “Heaven help us if one of the conditions is to pee in a bottle,” also mentioned a potential plea deal in Manziel’s domestic violence case and that the QB spent more than $1,000 on drug paraphernalia shortly after the hit-and-run.

Manziel’s father, Paul, was quite candid about the situation when ESPN’s Josina Anderson asked him Friday for a comment. “He’s a druggie. It’s not a secret that he’s a druggie,” Paul Manziel said in a phone interview Friday. “I don’t know what to say other than my son is a druggie and he needs help. He just hasn’t (sought) it yet. Hopefully he doesn’t die before he comes to his senses. That’s about all you can say. I don’t know what else to say. … “I had him in rehab and he escaped and the doctors let him go, and that is a whole other story. So I mean I had him (in rehab) and the system failed. It didn’t work. “He has more money than me, so he can outrun me. Like I said, there are two things that are going to happen: He’s either going to die, or he’s going to figure out that he needs help. It’s one of the two. But we’ve done everything that we can do. Life goes on. You can’t just chase somebody that’s not willing to listen. The story is not going to change. It’s the same. … “I mean, I hate to say it, but I hope he goes to jail. I mean, that would be the best place for him.”

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**Mr. Kotter** · 06-26-2016, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I've never been surrounded by people that blamed others and I can't even claim to know anyone that's blamed others.

What you're describing sounds like someone without a conscience. I can't claim to know anyone like that, either, but if I did, I certainly didn't know the person well.

Conscience, values, morals, and respect are a part of the fiber of your being (except perhaps here on CP, heh...

)and it was nurtured by your family. It would seem that you have had the good fortune of associating with others who share that experience and perspective. Lucky you. Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who instead embrace nihilism and hedonistic values, and for them life becomes a narcissistic and self-absorbed pursuit of whatever feels good at the moment with little or no regard for others. Johnny seems to be one of those people. Sometimes they figure it out and turn things around; sometimes they don't. On a side note, as someone with entertainment industry connections, you should be very well acquainted with it.

patteeu · 06-26-2016, 12:51 PM

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stevieray · 06-26-2016, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

I suspect it's because he feels differently. There is a certain kinship between same-gender parents and children that develops more into a friendship, especially with age. However, what you said is true...too many parents are solely focused on being their child's "friend." It's particularly bad practice during the children's formative years. As adults, a more friend-like relationship does seem to develop--especially with same gender children.

sure, but you can have solid relationships with both.

..and I agree with your stance...His dad prolly didn't do him any favors, but even so..it's still up to JM to be accountable for his own actions/decisions. Bad parenting is neither an excuse or a crutch. Plenty of people can overcome, if they give a damn.

Deep down like everyone else. JM knows what is right and wrong.

I'm not holding my breath though, the money can and will steal your conscience.

**Mr. Kotter** · 06-26-2016, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

sure, but you can have solid relationships with both.

..and I agree with your stance...His dad prolly didn't do him any favors, but even so..it's still up to JM to be accountable for his own actions/decisions. Bad parenting is neither an excuse or a crutch. Plenty of people can overcome, if they give a damn.

Deep down like everyone else. JM knows what is right and wrong.

I'm not holding my breath though, the money can and will steal your conscience.

Sounds like as close to agreement as you and I (patty and I, too) have come in some time...

**LoneWolf** · 06-26-2016, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's a lie that his son has more money.

Secondly, there isn't a parent in the world with any common sense that would believe that their child would be in a"better" place if he was in prison. That's just utter stupidity.

And finally, no one would give a shit if the guy wasn't a star college athlete and chosen in the first round NFL draft. There are offspring of wealthy parents around the world that party and use recreational drugs everyday and those parents aren't calling for them to be incarcerated.

His father sounds like a jackass.

I never addressed the money situation between Johnny and his parents. I find it irrelevant.

You don't think there are parents who think there kid would be better off in prison than continuing down the path of drug addiction? If my son grows up, becomes a drug addict, and has shunned all of my efforts to help him, I would much rather he be picked up by the police and thrown in jail than to continue to throw his life away abusing drugs.

Johnny isn't just using drugs recreationally and still living a productive life. Drugs are ruining his life and he has wasted more opportunities than most people receive in a lifetime.

**fan4ever** · 06-26-2016, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The same can be said for Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, John Elway, LeBron James and any number of mega-talented athletes.

That's why I said "I know it happens"...you can do a great job of parenting and outside forces can influence how someone turns out...I'm not saying it's a crap shoot, but what I am saying is this kid turning out to be such a loser may have less to do with how he was raised and more to do with who he allowed himself to become...parents can't shield him from the world.

**LoneWolf** · 06-26-2016, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

why?

I just disagree that a good parent can't be friends with their children. My father has been my best friend my entire life. A truly good friend is not afraid to tell you when you're messing up and my father was never afraid to discipline me when I was younger. He always took the time to explain why I was being punished and teach me life lessons along the way.

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**LoneWolf** · 06-26-2016, 01:59 PM

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Smoke's gone scorched earth.

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**Perineum Ripper** · 06-26-2016, 02:03 PM

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vailpass · 06-26-2016, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

he sounded in the article like he didn't have the money to track him.

Heh.

vailpass · 06-26-2016, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Yeah he's worth 6 million to his parents 50 million.

So his dad lied in this article.

Nah. Look at it like "he's got more money to spend on the bullshit he's pulling than i can/ will spend on countering it."

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-26-2016, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

I never addressed the money situation between Johnny and his parents. I find it irrelevant.

You don't think there are parents who think there kid would be better off in prison than continuing down the path of drug addiction? If my son grows up, becomes a drug addict, and has shunned all of my efforts to help him, I would much rather he be picked up by the police and thrown in jail than to continue to throw his life away abusing drugs.

Johnny isn't just using drugs recreationally and still living a productive life. Drugs are ruining his life and he has wasted more opportunities than most people receive in a lifetime.

You're fooling yourself thinking that drug use doesn't occur in prisons. Condemning him to prison because he needs treatment is absolutely the wrong path to take. Plus, once he's spent time in prison, there's absolutely no reason to be leave that he'd be reformed after a sentence. That's silly.

If he wants to "throw away his life" by partying, that's his decision. But the fact remains that if he were to get help and re-dedicate himself to football, he'd make insane money once again.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-26-2016, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

On a side note, as someone with entertainment industry connections, you should be very well acquainted with it.

Well acquainted with what? Narcissism?

Man, 99.99% of the people I know that work in the entertainment business, whether it's behind the camera, in front of it, admin, lawyers, accountants and so on are normal, everyday people with jobs and families.

The only drug use I've ever seen in 23 years is marijuana, which is legal with a medical card.

The idea that everyone is an over-the-top, narcissistic, drugged out, unapproachable asshole is a fallacy.

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