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[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BossChief

List me the superbowl quarterbacks that were over 33 years old.

Now, cross-reference those results with the guys that have the mediocre skill set that Alex Smith has.

Your argument has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.

Let's back up just a second. What do you think my argument is? It has nothing to do with rarity or Alex Smith's demonstrated skills.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Let's back up just a second. What do you think my argument is? It has nothing to do with rarity or Alex Smith's demonstrated skills.

Your argument is that age is irrelevant to the "championship window" of a certain player.

Right or wrong?

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Your argument is that age is irrelevant to the "championship window" of a certain player.

Right or wrong?

Wrong. My argument is that the window for a franchise QB who fully realizes his potential doesn't close abruptly at the end of his prime years. In this case, I'm accepting for the sake of argument that Alex Smith's prime years will end at age 33, but the truth is that it's different for each QB. And, of course, injury can always be a factor.

And you don't have to be John Elway to have an open window beyond 33. Trent Green's window was open beyond 33. The Chiefs' lack of success during those twilight years had more to do with defense, the end of Priest Holmes, the retirement of Willie Roaf, and a career truncating injury than it had to do with Trent's 34th birthday. Alex Smith may never have the modest success of Trent Green (aside from the fact that he already has some playoff success), but he certainly has at least as much potential.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Wrong. My argument is that the window for a franchise QB who fully realizes his potential doesn't close abruptly at the end of his prime years. In this case, I'm accepting for the sake of argument that Alex Smith's prime years will end at age 33, but the truth is that it's different for each QB. And, of course, injury can always be a factor.

And you don't have to be John Elway to have an open window beyond 33. Trent Green's window was open beyond 33. The Chiefs' lack of success during those twilight years had more to do with defense, the end of Priest Holmes, the retirement of Willie Roaf, and a career truncating injury than it had to do with Trent's 34th birthday. Alex Smith may never have the modest success of Trent Green (aside from the fact that he already has some playoff success), but he certainly has at least as much potential.

If that's the case, there has been a large enough same size to show proper results.

There should be a list of qbs that fit your hypothesis.

When the truth is that the only QBs that have been superbowl players after 32/33 years old are guys that were elite nearly their whole careers.

Not Career game managers AT BEST like Alex Smith.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BossChief

If that's the case, there has been a large enough same size to show proper results.

There should be a list of qbs that fit your hypothesis.

When the truth is that the only QBs that have been superbowl players after 32/33 years old are guys that were elite nearly their whole careers.

Not Career game managers AT BEST like Alex Smith.

I don't really think you understand this topic. You're too focused on hindsight whereas this is all about potential, whether it's ever realized or not.

BTW, there is a long list of QBs who fit my hypothesis, but the only thing bothering to list them will do is give you a launching pad for applying hindsight and arguing about whether or not the list proves anything. Trent Green is a representative member of the list though, as I mentioned earlier. Do you agree that his window was open beyond age 33?

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I don't really think you understand this topic. You're too focused on hindsight whereas this is all about potential, whether it's ever realized or not.

BTW, there is a long list of QBs who fit my hypothesis, but the only thing bothering to list them will do is give you a launching pad for applying hindsight and arguing about whether or not the list proves anything. Trent Green is a representative member of the list though, as I mentioned earlier. Do you agree that his window was open beyond age 33?

No, I don't agree with that.

The Chiefs made the playoffs once in Trent Greens 5 full seasons in KC...a d again, Trent did things from a quarterback perspective that Alex has never done and likely will never do.

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE it if he were to begin to trust his tools and begin to attack with the ball to areas past 15 yards...but I just don't see it happening.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BossChief

No, I don't agree with that.

The Chiefs made the playoffs once in Trent Greens 5 full seasons in KC...a d again, Trent did things from a quarterback perspective that Alex has never done and likely will never do.

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE it if he were to begin to trust his tools and begin to attack with the ball to areas past 15 yards...but I just don't see it happening.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. Trent Green wasn't ever the reason the Chiefs failed to make the playoffs or win a championship. When he was 34, he started all 16 games for a championship-quality Chiefs' offense (1st in the NFL in yards and first downs and 2nd in points).

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BossChief

If that's the case, there has been a large enough same size to show proper results.

There should be a list of qbs that fit your hypothesis.

When the truth is that the only QBs that have been superbowl players after 32/33 years old are guys that were elite nearly their whole careers.

Not Career game managers AT BEST like Alex Smith.

Not true.

Jim Plunket was one of the QBs beyond the age of 33 to win.

But the sample size suggests that Alex Smith winning a SB beyond the age of 33 is a slim chance.

Plunket wasn't an elite QB, but his physical skillset was higher than Smith's.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Wrong. My argument is that the window for a franchise QB who fully realizes his potential doesn't close abruptly at the end of his prime years. In this case, I'm accepting for the sake of argument that Alex Smith's prime years will end at age 33, but the truth is that it's different for each QB. And, of course, injury can always be a factor.

And you don't have to be John Elway to have an open window beyond 33. Trent Green's window was open beyond 33. The Chiefs' lack of success during those twilight years had more to do with defense, the end of Priest Holmes, the retirement of Willie Roaf, and a career truncating injury than it had to do with Trent's 34th birthday. Alex Smith may never have the modest success of Trent Green (aside from the fact that he already has some playoff success), but he certainly has at least as much potential.

I'd also like to mention that Alex Smith has NEVER shown the ability to be a guy like Trent Green.

Trent attacked every part of the field...Alex Smith doesn't.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I'd also like to mention that Alex Smith has NEVER shown the ability to be a guy like Trent Green.

Trent attacked every part of the field...Alex Smith doesn't.

Sweet lord; if we can not expect even a Trent Green effort from Alice, we reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllly need to draft Geno.
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[RunKC]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I'd also like to mention that Alex Smith has NEVER shown the ability to be a guy like Trent Green.

Trent attacked every part of the field...Alex Smith doesn't.

Trent Green has NEVER shown ability to lead a team in the playoffs like Alex Smith.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Trent Green has NEVER shown ability to lead a team in the playoffs like Alex Smith.

What a crock of shit. Give Trent the defense that Alex had in San Fran, and he wins the Super Bowl in '03 at the least.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Trent Green has NEVER shown ability to lead a team in the playoffs like Alex Smith.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Trent Green has NEVER shown ability to lead a team in the playoffs like Alex Smith.

Why don't you go lay down and let the adults talk, junior.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Why don't you go lay down and let the adults talk, junior.

When has Trent Green done this in the playoffs?



Edit: He still hasn't done this. And he's never done anything as impressive, and never will.