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duncan_idaho · 09:30 AM

With my 6,000th post on ChiefsPlanet (it only took me 12 years to get here), I bring you: The 2014 Kansas City Royals Repository.

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**DeezNutz** · 05-13-2014, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

I don't generally believe in "sending a message", nor do I usually believe that some players might "not care" or "not try hard enough". This situation is pretty simple and cut and dried for me. I'm sure Moose is upset, worried, and trying as hard as he can, but he's killing us right now.

He looks so bad that I also don't think he has to face MLB pitching, it looks like AAA pitching could be enough of a challenge for him. Maybe he'll figure it out and maybe he needs time to rediscover his swing, but at this point he needs to do that in games that don't count.

If he can OPS over .900 in Omaha for a full month, then we can talk about his return, if that ever happens.

I'd have to listen again, but I'm pretty sure that Jayson Stark said (on 810 earlier today) that Moose is 3-53 against last pitch fastballs.

That is ****ing amazingly bad.

ChiefsCountry · 05-13-2014, 12:12 PM

Moose is one strange case that is for sure. When he does seem to get a hit its either a homer or double. He has 16 hits on the year, yet 14 RBIs - which is tied with Billy and more than Salvy and he still leads the team in home runs.

**alnorth** · 05-13-2014, 12:14 PM

I'm also comfortable with the idea that Moose is probably our best defensive option, I don't want to completely dismiss his defense, but he's not THAT good.

The difference between his runs saved and Gio/Valencia/whoever's runs saved is probably a lot less than the difference in runs created simply because Moose is so incredibly awful at the plate right now.

ChiefsCountry · 05-13-2014, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

I'm also comfortable with the idea that Moose is probably our best defensive option, I don't want to completely dismiss his defense, but he's not THAT good.

The difference between his runs saved and Gio/Valencia/whoever's runs saved is probably a lot less than the difference in runs created simply because Moose is so incredibly awful at the plate right now.

I believe Valencia is right at 0.0 and Moose is .3 on defense WAR.

**gblowfish** · 05-13-2014, 12:46 PM

Only Royals fans would sit around and try to see how many ways they can quantify the deepness and profoundness of how bad one of their players sucks.

Other organizations just bench the guy, send him down or cut him, and get over it. But we're different. It's a process.

Karen Kornacki will probably ask Ned "Does Moose have a wife and children? How will they survive his demotion? Don't you feel bad about taking food out of the mouths of innocent babies???"

Prison Bitch · 05-13-2014, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

I don't generally believe in "sending a message", nor do I usually believe that some players might "not care" or "not try hard enough". This situation is pretty simple and cut and dried for me. I'm sure Moose is upset, worried, and trying as hard as he can, but he's killing us right now.

He looks so bad that I also don't think he has to face MLB pitching, it looks like AAA pitching could be enough of a challenge for him. Maybe he'll figure it out and maybe he needs time to rediscover his swing, but at this point he needs to do that in games that don't count.

If he can OPS over .900 in Omaha for a full month, then we can talk about his return, if that ever happens.

People are missing the point if they think demoting Moose is either a kick in the ass, or to light a fire under him. It's neither. It's nothing more than a simple roster move. It's not personal - he simply isn't performing. What he does down in Omaha is irrelevant because he does not belong up in MLB right now.

Mellinger argues today that Hosmer & Moose are so vital to the franchise that "This thing won't work" if they don't play well. That's bunk. The team could easily hide Moose if Billy & Alex and Sal were all hitting. Since they aren't, Moose can't be hidden any longer.

ChiefsCountry · 05-13-2014, 01:17 PM

Moose just can't get singles. That is the problem. His doubles and home run rate is pretty much at the same level in 2012. Just can't get singles, which is pretty mind blowing actually and you would think would be the easiest to correct.

BWillie · 05-13-2014, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepSouth

What's the deal with Jimmy Paredes? He's playing 3rd in Omaha. He's a switch hitter. He's batting .317 against righties and .294 against lefties. Couldn't the Royals platoon him and Valencia. Paredes against righties, Valencia against lefties? That would replace Moose's left handed bat if he's sent down.

Duncan, would love to hear your take?

Not sure if he's the answer, sure he can be a utility guy, but I'd rather give Gio a shot. At least you have a chance of finding an everyday player out there. Peredes has Zero walks this year at AAA, none. 21 K's in 77 Abs. Sure he's batting around .300, but probably pretty easy for MLB pitching to exploit.

siberian khatru · 05-13-2014, 01:36 PM

Infante on DL, Ciriaco up

siberian khatru · 05-13-2014, 01:37 PM

Probably right move putting Infante on DL, but that doesn't preclude also sending Moose down.

Oh, well, give him another 25 ABs or so to prove all the haters wrong, right Dayton?

BWillie · 05-13-2014, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Infante on DL, Ciriaco up

God damn it.

**Dartgod** · 05-13-2014, 01:59 PM

I thought they needed to clear roster space for another reliever?

BlackHelicopters · 05-13-2014, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Infante on DL, Ciriaco up

Damn

**gblowfish** · 05-13-2014, 03:09 PM

They must have a bunch of Moose antlers they want to give away in June....

Deberg_1990 · 05-13-2014, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Probably right move putting Infante on DL, but that doesn't preclude also sending Moose down.

Oh, well, give him another 25 ABs or so to prove all the haters wrong, right Dayton?

IM sure the goal posts have moved again.....

12-19-2013, 12:45 PM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1760308	2014 Royals Repository With my 6,000th post on ChiefsPlanet (it only took me 12 years to get here), I bring you: The 2014 Kansas City Royals Repository. To be discussed here: All things Royals, as they attempt to post another winning season and make it back to the playoffs for the first time since 1985. 25-man RosterAvailable HERE AL Central Standings: Link Duncan's Top 20 Royals Prospects Spoiler! 1) 3B Hunter Dozier ETA: 2015 Dozier started slowly at A+ Wilmington but caught fire in May and June, earning a mid-season promotion to AA Northwest Arkansas. Big, strong kid with good plate discipline skills and solid power who projects to be an above-average glove at 3B with solid power. 2) SS Raul (Adalberto) Mondesi ETA: 2017 Mondesis is the opposite of Dozier…. Started red-hot at Wilmington before back spasms derailed him for a few weeks and hasn’t gotten it going since coming back. Scouting reports have been great – defense and speed both improved over the offseason. Still a chance to be an elite SS, with 40 SB speed, plus glove, .300 average and some pop. 3) LHP Sean Manaea \| ETA: 2015 Scouting reports outperform the stat line so far. Missing a ton of bats at A+ but not preventing runs like you’d expect to see. Needs to work deeper into games (gradually working about an inning deeper/month so far this year) and improve control. Walks are biggest concern right now, but could be elevated due to work on extra off-speed offerings. Still has No. 2 starter potential, could be higher if the great control he exhibited before his hip surgery eventually comes back. 4) RHP Kyle Zimmer\| ETA: 2015 Should be NO. 1 on the list and is probably the Royals most VALUABLE current prospect, but he hasn’t thrown a ball in 4-5 weeks and had only been throwing for 2-3 weeks when he was shut down then. 5) LHP Brandon Finnegan\| ETA: 2015 Top 2014 draft choice is an undersized lefty who will start at A+ Wilmington after anchoring CWS run for TCU. Good fastball, better slider, change that needs work to stick as a starter, but if he sticks, No. 2/No. 3 starter upside. Likely a top 10 or even top 5 pick if he doesn’t miss 1 start in the middle of the college season as a precautionary move. 6) RHP Miguel Almonte\| ETA: 2016 Have heard some say Almonte is more advanced as a pitcher at A+ than Yordano Ventura was (comparison because both were cheap signs out of Latin America). Really advanced changeup and a curve that is working out well (where the ‘more advanced’ comment comes from). Fastball velo is good but not great – 92-94. Like Manaea, working on his second-best offspeed pitch and leaning less on his bread-and butter (changeup), which has hurt his numbers a bit. 7) RHP Christian Binford 2017 Reverse case of “don’t just scout stat lines.” Based on his stats at A+, you’d think he was an elite prospect, but there are questions about Binford’s stuff playing up at higher levels. Tall righty with great command of fastball, slider and a good and still developing changeup. None of those pitches profiles as better than average, though, limiting his likely upside to back-end rotation guy. 8) SS Orlando Calixte\| ETA: 2016 I still like him more than many. Good combination of SS/MI skills and power. Started hot at NWA but in a slump at moment. 9)LHP Foster Griffin \| ETA: 2019 Tall, projectable lefty taken in 2014 draft. Viewed as a great value in the sandwich round and probably would have been KC’s pick at No. 17 if Finnegan hadn’t fallen. High school arm who is going to take a while to develop. 10) RF Jorge Bonifacio\| ETA: 2016 Hasn’t hit as well as expected in his second go-round at AA NWA. Power still sapped, and average skills have dipped. Once looked like he might be an option in RF at some point in 2015, now looks like 2016 is optimistic. Still young for his level. 11) 3B/2B Cheslor Cuthbert\| ETA: 2016 Cuthbert has had better luck at NWA than Boni and is also extremely young for level. HE’s been moved to 2B since Dozier was promoted, which could put a new spin on Cuthbert’s prospects. If he sticks at 2B, bat plays up much better. Good OBP/plate discipline and solid power, but needs to continue improving contact skills 12) C Chase Vallot\| ETA: 2020 Young (just 17) C with tremendous power. One of the top prep bats and a great value for KC where it got him. If he sticks at C, expect him to move slowly, but the bat may force the issue (or force him to another position). 13) C Zane Evans\| ETA: 2017 GA Tech product has handled Wilmington better than most RH bats and probably is in line for a promotion to NWA sometime soon. Decent pop, decent skills behind the plate. Could be a nice reserve catcher. 14) RHP Scott Blewett\| ETA: 2020 Tall, projectable righty with a fresh arm but some injury concerns on his shoulder that slipped him out of Round 1 of MLB draft. Big time potential. 15) CF Bubba Starling \| ETA: Bubba Starling has great tools. Bubba Starling (still) can’t hit. That’s all I have to say about that. 16) 1B Samir Duenez\| ETA: I still like him, even though the attempt to run him through full season ball at 17 did not go well. 17)LF/RF Elier Hernandez\| ETA: Hernandez still pops up in scouting reports but still is very raw and toolsy. 18) RHP Pedro Fernandez\| ETA: Pop-up player on the same track as Ventura and Almonte. Similar signing, similar profile. One to watch over next few years. 19) SS Marten Gasparini\| ETA: Royals’ most expensive international signing likely moves to CF eventually, but his speed and athleticism are intriguing abilities. Early reports from complex ball are very positive on him. 20) RHP Niklas Stephenson\| ETA: Interesting pop-up candidate who found 10 more MPH on his fastball by using a weighted ball during workouts over the winter. Now sits mid-90s with fastball and is dominating at rookie ball (after having an ERA over 8 there a year ago). Likely promoted to a higher challenge soon. Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-01-2014 at 09:30 AM..
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05-13-2014, 12:12 PM	#4517
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $2328752	Moose is one strange case that is for sure. When he does seem to get a hit its either a homer or double. He has 16 hits on the year, yet 14 RBIs - which is tied with Billy and more than Salvy and he still leads the team in home runs.
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05-13-2014, 12:14 PM	#4518
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57166239	I'm also comfortable with the idea that Moose is probably our best defensive option, I don't want to completely dismiss his defense, but he's not THAT good. The difference between his runs saved and Gio/Valencia/whoever's runs saved is probably a lot less than the difference in runs created simply because Moose is so incredibly awful at the plate right now. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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05-13-2014, 12:46 PM	#4520
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17686178 VARSITY	Only Royals fans would sit around and try to see how many ways they can quantify the deepness and profoundness of how bad one of their players sucks. Other organizations just bench the guy, send him down or cut him, and get over it. But we're different. It's a process. Karen Kornacki will probably ask Ned "Does Moose have a wife and children? How will they survive his demotion? Don't you feel bad about taking food out of the mouths of innocent babies???"
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05-13-2014, 01:17 PM	#4522
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $2328752	Moose just can't get singles. That is the problem. His doubles and home run rate is pretty much at the same level in 2012. Just can't get singles, which is pretty mind blowing actually and you would think would be the easiest to correct.
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05-13-2014, 01:36 PM	#4524
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $2554950	Infante on DL, Ciriaco up
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05-13-2014, 01:37 PM	#4525
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $2554950	Probably right move putting Infante on DL, but that doesn't preclude also sending Moose down. Oh, well, give him another 25 ABs or so to prove all the haters wrong, right Dayton?
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05-13-2014, 01:59 PM	#4527
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05-13-2014, 03:09 PM	#4529
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17686178 VARSITY	They must have a bunch of Moose antlers they want to give away in June....
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